Saturday, 27 June 2009

Robin Hood, Series 3. Episode 13: “Something Worth Fighting For” Part 2.

The Story: As Alan A Dale’s body is placed in a casket, Robin hood is busily marshalling the outlaws and men of Nottingham into some kind of coherent fighting force. Robin and Guy then ride out to meet Sheriff Vasey, both sides issuing final demands and challenges. But Vasey is more keen to demonstrate his new weapon: A fleet of trebuchets armed with the Byzantine Fire he purchased from Archer.

Once back inside, Robin Hood gives Guy of Gisborne the chance to leave should he so desire. But Guy decides to stay and fight as long as Sheriff Vasey is alive. Then, before making their final preparations for battle, they “honour the dead” by cremating Alan’s body.

In the dungeon, Guy visits his sister Isabella, questioning her about her knowledge of Sheriff Vasey being alive, to which she expresses no prior knowledge. Guy also gives her a vial of poison “For our mother‘s sake“. He knows she will be shown no mercy after the battle, and that suicide might be her least painful option. Meanwhile, Kate has taken it upon herself to leave the city and go to Loughborough where she knows King Richard’s men are waiting for him. John assists her down from the battlements as she leaves saying “I’ll be back with an army”, words which will prove only too true…

Back in the Hall, the Outlaws are of course squabbling as usual, having found out that the Byzantine Fire was sold to the Sheriff by Archer. Archer in turn accuses them of causing more innocent deaths than he ever has, by virtue of them all being “untrained peasants”. Robin Hood then decides the only way to defeat the army beyond the gates is to destroy the trebuchets, a task he, Tuck, Guy, and John swiftly accomplish before escaping back to the castle. (The story is full of such little incidents which make you believe more is happening than actually is). However, during the fight Tuck has retrieved a bottle of the Byzantine Fire, and starts to analyse it so he can produce more.

Now without the use of their trebuchets (so what was the point in them?), the army ram the gates down and gain access to the city as the men of Nottingham fight them in the streets. Below those streets, Isabella has tempted a guard to set her free with the promise of a few sexual favours before she dies, but of course stabs him instead.

The advancing army is too powerful for the untrained peasants, and before long it is breaking through the Castle portcullis itself. Not only that, but they have captured Kate and now held hostage in return for Robin Hood’s surrender. Vasey also has news for Robin: King Richard has been taken prisoner and being held to ransom; a ransom that will bankrupt the country if paid. So now Robin knows that Richard’s men in Loughborough will not be coming to the rescue. Nevertheless, whislt he stands talking to Sheriff Vasey, Much has devised a way of pulling Kate up into the battlements and to freedom. Unable to gain access, Sheriff Vasey turns back, intent on using the “secret tunnel” instead.

Inside the castle, Brother Tuck discovers a few barrels of Byzantine Fire, and so he doesn’t have to make any himself after all. (Another useless dead-end detail in the story). Then, to the sound of the army breaking through the portcullis, everyone retreats to the main hall whilst Isabella is spotted leaving by a secret doorway. Guy and Archer go to investigate. The tunnel had of course been blocked last week by her own instruction (using Archer’s “knowledge of the East” no less). But when Guy and Archer hear Vasey’s explosion in the distance, they assume it is the tunnel being cleared, so Archer goes back to convey this knowledge to Robin whilst Guy searches for Isabella. When he finds her he learns she was in collusion with the Sheriff after all, and before too long Vasey, Isabella and the Sheriff’s captain, are locked in a fight against Robin Hood, Archer, and Guy. “Brother in arms”, one shouts.

During the fight Guy saves Robin Hood from Isabella’s blade, which still manages to knick the outlaw leader’s neck. In the process, Guy himself is fatally wounded and, although Vasey, and Isabella are ably standing by, Guy still manages to compose and deliver a few final words: “Marian, the love of my life, but she was always yours”, he says, looking up at Robin. “But because of you, I die proud”. As Guy passes away, Robin Hood is forced to face his own mortality: The blade Isabella cut him with had been smeared with the poison Guy gave her, and therefore Robin Hood will be dead by nightfall. Speeches over, and Vasey and Isabella scamper away.

When Vasey and Isabella return to the castle with their army, they find Robin Hood and all his followers have managed to escape. (So who was in charge of the tunnel?) Sheriff Vasey’s attention is caught by a stash of barrels, but in the same moment he identifies them as containing Byzantine Fire, Robin Hood’s flaming arrow finds the top barrel and the whole of Nottingham Castle is blown sky high.

Back in Sherwood Forest, celebration soon turns to “time to say goodbye” as Robin Hood bids each individual farewell. To Much he says: “You are more of a man than I’ll ever be. You are my best friend”. To John he professes “It is a good day to die”, whilst to Tuck he expresses his opinion that they will find a new leader. Kate he addresses as “Brave Kate”, before telling them all he has to “do this alone”, and walks away into the forest.

Now out of sight, and resting by a tree, an angelic chorus announces the arrival of Ghost Marian. “I have waited for you”, she says, taking his hand. “The greatest adventure is yet to come”.

End bit: Brother Tuck gives one of his speeches (of course), about Robin Hood “goes on”, as they carry their leader’s body (complete with Huge Lily), deeper into the forest.

At the close of the show the announcer made no statement about Robin Hood coming back next year.

Comment: Okay, these past few weeks, after what had been a really good series from episodes 4 - 9 inclusive, I’ve been approaching these reviews with some trepidation. I know others who’s faith in this show has been far less tested than my own, might disagree with what I write in these reviews (although in truth, the comments boxes herein tend to be even more critical lately than myself). But I can only express my own honest opinion:

The really important scenes in this episode, indeed the most important scenes in the whole 3 series, should have been the deaths of Robin Hood, Guy of Gisborne, and maybe the Sheriff of Nottingham.

They were squandered.

Just look at how many silly “red herrings” pad out this story. We have trebuchets? Whoops, no we don’t. Tuck is going to make some Byzantine Fire? Oh look, no need to, we’ve found a few barrels. Kate’s off to bring an army? Whoops, she’s captured. Is she a hostage? Well, only for about 10 seconds. And on and on. Action adventure or the Keystone Cops?

What the fans of this show wanted was to see these characters who they’ve grown to admire and form fan clubs for, given the space and opportunity to make a more significant final exit. What would have been so wrong about seeing Robin Hood shoot a final arrow into the forest? Marian would have still been able to find him there, and I’m sure the heavenly choir wouldn’t have been far behind. Who thinks the Giant Lily on his chest was a better “interpretation of the Legend”?? Who??

Yes, it was nice to see Lucy. (We all guessed that scene would happen long, long ago). Yes it was nice to hear Robin make his peace with Much. But these words and scenes could have and should have been much better screened and presented.

Thank you all for your patience regarding the “comment moderation” of this past week. (Now lifted). Whilst the BBC were circulating rather specific details of the script well in advance, and others claim the glory on YouTube, I prefer to “wait and see“. I guess I’m just an old fashioned “traditionalist” in the end. (I wonder how many times Jonas burst out laughing with that Giant Lily on his chest?…)

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Blogger robin hood said...

Robin Hood Series 3 Cast:

Robin Hood - Jonas Armstrong
Kate - Joanne Froggatt
Guy of Gisborne - Richard Armitage
Tuck - David Harewood
Sheriff of Nottingham - Keith Allen
Little John - Gordon Kennedy
Much - Sam Troughton
Allan-a-Dale - Joe Armstrong
Isabella - Lara Pulver

27 June 2009 at 21:54  
Blogger robin hood said...

Cast Extra:

Giant Lily - Herself.

27 June 2009 at 21:54  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Totally disagree with your silly review. The episode was amazing.

27 June 2009 at 23:54  
Anonymous Rav said...

Well, first of all, I didn't watch last week's episode. Having learnt what happened to Allan, I had no desire whatsoever to witness it. My favourite character, the only reason I chose to watch this season...I just couldn't bring myself to watch it.

So as far as I'm concerned, he didn't appear in this episode because he took the first ship back to Acre, finally sick and tired of being surrounded by idiots (not to mention half-deafened by Kate's ever-increasing shrillness. The bats in Sherwood must be getting rather confused at all the high-pitched frequencies in the forest).

The good things to come out of this episode: a dignified death for Guy (more than he deserved, in my opinion - I know he's popular, but I never forgave him for killing Marian, not to mention all those unarmed peasants), a heartfelt scene between Robin and Much (finally!) and of course, seeing Marian again (who, judging from her outfit, has been in Lothlorien with the elves all this time).

And yet even these scenes were somewhat botched. I couldn't believe my ears when Robin called Gisbourne: "my friend." Calling him: "ma wee bonny lass" would have made more sense. Not much more sense, but certainly more than "my friend".

Much/Robin's scene was lovely, as was Marian's reappearance, but they would have been all the more powerful if these two relationships had actually been present throughout S3. I think Robin and Much have had two conversations this entire season; and the fact that Robin has barely mentioned, mourned, or missed Marian means that the reunion was somewhat cheapened. Straight from Kate's arms and into Marian's.

And Kate. Oh, Kate. When she went to fetch the army, I thought: "This is it. Kate is finally going to be vindicated. The writers have deliberately set her up to be completely useless all this season, just so we could cheer when she finally does something right."

And then she got captured.

Again.

If there was a point to this character, I never discovered it. She and Tuck (otherwise known as "Preachy and Screechy" in my house) were surely the most superfluous, boring and dislikable characters this show has ever had. I can't believe we lost Will and Djaq in favour of these two idiots All that fuss about Byzantium Fire made me miss Djaq all the more. That plot belonged to her, no doubt about it.

I'm astonished they killed Isabella: the one death I didn't see coming. She was one of the few good things to come out of this season, and now she's gone too, despite the fact she would have made a good villainess in season 4.

Speaking of which, if there is a season 4, I won't be watching it. The most popular characters dead, two fan-favourites forgotten in the Holy Land, Sam Troughton stating that he's leaving the show, and nothing to look forward to except more of Kate's shrieks and Tuck's sermans? Pass.

Make it if you want to BBC - just don't expect many people to watch it.

27 June 2009 at 23:57  
Blogger robin hood said...

Hi Anonymous,

We all like to read alternative opinions here, so thankyou for you input.

28 June 2009 at 00:02  
Blogger robin hood said...

Hi Rav,

RE Isabella: Of course we don't actually know she's dead. She was probably aware of another secret tunnel or something...

BUT, I do think it was wrong to give Vasey yet another "death scene" at her expence. Let's face it, much as I admire Keith Allen, Lara Pulver's contribution to this third series has been hugely more significant. Basically, she stole the show. So, if she is dead, she really deserved a big exit of her own.

28 June 2009 at 00:06  
Blogger Joni said...

Few things:

Re-Jonas laughing at the lily: At *least* five. But that number should probably be quadrupled for the number of times he laughed in the absurdity of the episode as a whole. His death could have been sooooo much more interesting. Deadly poison? Really? REALLY?

Re- Marian at Lothlorien: HA. That's exactly what I thought when she was rounding the trees - "Oh look! Arwen came to take Robin into the west!" I can smell the fan fiction now. . .

Re - the problem with the show: I agree completely. There's some huge problems with follow through. They give themselves great set ups and then don't commit to what they have. My threshold of accepting the convenience of some of these plot points can only go so far. And you're right about the character deaths too - *yawn*. And for me, at least, I think the threshold was crossed when the show started to take itself too seriously. The wonderful part about Robin was (for me) always so much of his cheekiness. Yes, I thought giving him a slightly darker side was good. It gave Robin a bit of depth that lacks in other adaptations. But the show itself, on the whole, was always just pure *fun*. It was silly more than it was serious, and you left it feeling a bit more hope for the Robins in the world. Now what? The Robins in the world DIE. Along with EVERYONE ELSE. It's no wonder that those left standing are opting out of season four. It's a shame, really. The writers had so much going for them in seasons one and two - and even some of the stuff in three. But they were careless. Can't you just IMAGINE what would have happened if Isabella showed up when Marian was still alive?! It would have been beyond cool.

*Phew*

Rant over. I did appreciate the brief Marian bit, though. Even if it was slightly cheesy, it was a nice reminder of how wonderful Jonas and Lucy really are together.

28 June 2009 at 00:17  
Anonymous Vicki said...

RH, can you explain the bit with the lily more? I don't think I get it :S

28 June 2009 at 00:19  
Blogger evielyn said...

Hi Robin, I had trouble finding the show this week I always pre record so I ended up with the tennis !! What a cheek! so I managed to watch on the bbc robin hood site, quite good and I enjoyed in the end although such a lot seemed to happen !!

I thought Allen's funeral was very lack lustre and I was disappionted that Robin never shot his arrow to Marian's ring but I got my wish she came for him as I hoped that she would. It would have been nice for all of the others to have been with him at the end (although they wouldn't have seen Marian they would have seen his face and heard him call her name)

A bit of a surprise that Isabella was killed as she was in my opinion the best of the new characters in this 3rd series but maybe she survived !!

If another series is commissioned so many good cast members have now gone it would also mean a completely new Sheriff and things will never be the same will they?

I joined your blog by accident at the end of the 2nd series when I was sad about Marian and was just trawling through the net. I must just say what a pleasure it has been joining in all the conversations that we have been having and how welcome you have made us all feel I have really enjoyed my self over the last 18months it is a fantastic site and the way we have all bounced off each others comments has been really good.

28 June 2009 at 00:29  
Blogger Val said...

Agree with what you say. The best bit of this series has been the middle episodes, which finally started to convince me that it had overcome the poor writing and daftness of the first two series, but I was soooo disappointed that the death scenes were wasted.

I was expecting a big battle, but did quite like the confrontation in the dungeons, but Guy, and Isabella deserved much better exits. He because he's pretty much the whole reason I've kept watching, and she because she's about the only female character who doesn't speak and act like she's wandered in from a soap.

I've enjoyed reading your reviews.

Thanks

28 June 2009 at 00:33  
Blogger evielyn said...

I had no problem with the deadly poison I just wish he had fired that arrow

28 June 2009 at 00:43  
Blogger robin hood said...

Hi Joni,

Yes, I also (obviously) loved seeing our Lucy again. But ironic isn't it? That Jonas's death scene was really Lucy's scene after all.... Her ghost has hung over these comment boxes throughout. (I wonder how Jonas felt?)

But, as you say, Jonas was a great Robin Hood, largely due to the cheeky side. (A tribute to Jonas will follow).

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Hi Vicki,

Are you serious? It's just that I found that huge great wobbly lily on his chest hilarious. And the Legendary story of Robin Hood firing a final arrow, asking to be buried where it lands, is soooooo much more appropriate for a great hero. I'm sure there must be outtakes somewhere with Jonas prancing about smacking Sam over the head with that thing.

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Hi Evielyn,

Yes, it would have been better with the others around him, just hearing him call Marian's name. But I suppose Kate might have had a hard time with that?

RE Isabella: Surely she's not dead. I reckon she had an secret extension built to that tunnel, so she had the last laugh on Vasey.

Also, I agree the poison was fine (how ironic it came from Guy!), but WE WANTED THE FINAL ARROW.

(Thanks for the kind words. Much appreciated. Don't go away. Follow ups to come).

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Hi Val,

Thanks. Over the next few weeks we'll have a few reviews of the individual characters.

28 June 2009 at 01:33  
Blogger Joni said...

Robin - you're right. It's the one thing that the writers/producers/whatever never managed to figure out. This show - as much as they tried to make it about Guy or Robin - was Marian's. Lucy is too captivating, too intense, too wonderful an actress. Since her introduction, Marian's role has been central because *Robin* makes her central. Does that make sense? You're right - even in the end it wasn't his scene. Interesting.

28 June 2009 at 01:44  
Anonymous Vicki said...

Ohhh, lol. I'm so sorry. I thought that there was something historically significant about the Giant Lily that I was totally missing.

28 June 2009 at 02:01  
Blogger robin hood said...

Hi Joni,

In many ways the true Legend is about Marian. She is "what's worth fighting for". She is the original English rose. She is the "Maiden", innocent and pure, whose love for the "green man of the forest" will bring a fruitful harvest. And, if she is "deserted" my a man intent on War, then we all suffer the consequences...

At best, King Richard only gives Robin Hood a short term purpose. But in the grander scheme of things it is Marian that gives him meaning.

That's why her murder was so very upsetting. It wasn't just the death of a woman in the cast. It was Maid Marian. A symbol of new life, optimism, fresh beginnings in a land of plenty.

Added to that, we had Lucy's on-screen charisma. You can't "train" or "teach" people that. They have it or they don't. She has it.

I think these comment boxes have contained references to Marian every single week since the end of Series 2. Perhaps not suprising then that, in the end, she "stole the show" from Jonas.

28 June 2009 at 02:09  
OpenID kuchimaru said...

Hello!
I don't usually comment on blogs but feel a little bit compelled after today's episode.

I usually take the programme with a pinch of salt but the finalé was so flawed that I couldn't even do that. I'm a little annoyed that Gisborne died without the chance any real character development (and with a quick 180 degree spin in his loyalties) but the entire plot made hardly any sense and it's such a disappointing end to the show (I won't be watching series 4, if they make it).

I have enjoyed your comments and summaries a lot and it's a shame that the episodes didn't always deserve them.

28 June 2009 at 02:37  
Blogger robin hood said...

Hi kuchimaru,

Welcome, and thanks for the kind words.

I do worry sometimes that my occasional criticisms will upset those who enjoy everything about the show. But I do feel the BBC / Tiger productions, have let the fans down.

I don't know if I will be watching Series 4 or not. (If it gets made that is). But, as was the case with Alan A Dale / Joe Armstrong, we'll be giving Guy and everyone else a much better tribute here than they received on screen.

28 June 2009 at 03:00  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Fans generally loved the finale and the true fans post on Robin Hood 2006, not here. So get over yourselves.

28 June 2009 at 03:57  
Anonymous Annie said...

Hi, Robin, since this is the last episode of our series, I want to start by saying what a nice refuge your blog has been for those of us who came to the BBC Robin Hood because we are interested in the legend. Thank you for maintaining a spoiler-free zone and staying above the fray of the various fandoms. Well done!

Somewhere over the course of series 3, I stopped thinking of it as being at all connected to the other two series, even though I've been someone who has been particularly critical of the lack of continuity from the first two series to series 3.

Thus, I watched this episode wholly on its own merits and had a more favorable response than I expected. The plot points you mentioned seemed less like red herrings to me and more like opportunities to get all the outlaws involved for a change and also to set up Archer as a possible successor to Robin. Thus, blowing up the trebuchets showed the outlaws working together and also gave Archer a chance to show his mettle. This scene, the fight in the dungeon, and Robin's farewell to Archer all point towards him as Robin's successor.

Kate has annoyed the heck out of me, but in this episode I liked her. Somehow, using RH's compressed travel time, she manages to travel to Loughborough and back over night. This provided the information that I think will be part of the backstory for series 4: Richard has been kidnapped. And her rescue provided a terrific moment between Robin and Much, which leads me to what I liked most about the episode.

Though certainly too little too late, I loved seeing Much finally get his due. In this episode, he behaved like the warrior he must have been to survive the Holy Land. Satisfyingly, we see Much and Robin communicate often and subtly--brief glances and few words are all they need. They've acquired a shorthand for speech that must have saved their lives many times. That Sam Troughton's enormous talents were underused throughout the three series baffles me. I've come to expect so little this year that seeing him shine several times in this episode made me happy. I loved the farewell scenes, and I was so grateful when the gang joined hands at the end but did *not* say "we are Robin Hood." Instead, they all uttered Robin's name reverently and with feeling. Again, Sam blew this scene out of the water. A big hat tip also goes to Gordon.

Regarding the last arrow. A few weeks ago, I mentioned that's one of my favorite parts of the legend. Though I'd rather have seen Robin shoot his last arrow into Sherwood, I do think that scene was referenced in this episode. When Robin, weak from the poisoned dagger (a gesture towards the ballads that have him poisoned by a nun at Kirkless), struggles to pull his bow for the last time, I think this is a reinterpretation of the old tradition. That his last act is to liberate the villagers from Vasay's oppression is fitting, since he was outlawed for refusing to go along with Vasay in the very first episode.

Finally, more than the appearance of Marian, Robin running his hand through the shafts of wheat, staring beatifically at the sunset, and proclaiming Sherwood his home just gutted me. I imagine many of us thought of the very first episode of the series when Robin passes his hand through some field flowers as he and Much see Locksley for the first time in 5 years. Series 3 should have ended with a wedding at Locksley, not a burial in Sherwood. But since that was not to be, I did find much to admire in this last episode. The actors gave it their all, and I think Jonas was amazing. He's grown enormously as an actor over the past 3 years, and I am only sorry the show runners saw fit to take what was a beautiful version of the legend in such a dark direction.

28 June 2009 at 04:40  
OpenID dcwash said...

On the whole, I quite enjoyed it. The part of me that used to work in film and always steps back to look at how these things are made got a giggle out of all the close-ups on the battlements with CGI effects, which, frankly, has always been part of my enjoyment of this show. The part of me which watches this thing because I like sword fights and horse chases and trebuchets et al got caught up in the action. And the part of me that loved the characters wept over Robin's slow death in the forest (though, like you, I kept waiting for him to shoot the arrow) and had a sad smile over how he FINALLY removed Much's hat for him.

That's not to say it was perfect. I'm sorry, but I never could root for Guy of Gisbourne, in any way, shape or form, even when I was uncomfortable with the way Marian was using him. And when the gang was gathered round at the very end, I kept looking over their shoulders for Will and Djaq and, sadly, Allan. (Though I thought they did a good job with Allan's death and a semi-decent job with its aftermath.) But, on the whole, I felt satisfied and fully expect to watch a fourth series, which I fully expect to be produced.

And, sorry, but I never was that enraptured with Lucy Griffiths or Marian. I liked Marian well enough, and thought Lucy Griffiths played her well, but I didn't particularly miss either the character or the actress this series.

28 June 2009 at 04:58  
Anonymous Laura said...

Greetings all! I have been reading this blog thorughout series three and, seeing as it has now come to a close, I feel it is a fitting time for me to weigh in. Series three was the first series I watched, though during it, I also found time to go back and watch series one and two.

Regarding Archer: I think I could get behind him as a possibly substitute for Robin Hood. However, if the show is drastically revamped when it (hopefully) comes back for a forth series, I hope they start with his wardrobe. His flowing shirts and tight leather vest make him look like a pirate wannabee, and someone needs to take a knife to those rat tails in his hair. It's bad. Other than that, I think the character is enjoyable.

I, for one, would like to see Kate and Much have a romance in the next series. Poor Much deserves a girl too, and I think Kate would be a good match.

I really hope Isabella is back for the next series and I'm hoping beyond all hope that she combs out her mess of hair and goes through some sort of remorse about killing Robin and Guy.

Speaking of which, I'm totally guilty for starting to watch this show soley because of Richard Armitage and his smoking hot self. Maybe he'll come back in ghost form and haunt Isabella *please please please*

P.S. I really adore this blog. I think you should try your hand at a Merlin blog and another site this fall :)

28 June 2009 at 05:09  
Anonymous Rav said...

Fans generally loved the finale and the true fans post on Robin Hood 2006, not here. So get over yourselves.


I post there, and the responses to the finale seem to be somewhat lukewarm.

And what on earth is a "true fan?"

28 June 2009 at 05:33  
OpenID dcwash said...

"His flowing shirts and tight leather vest make him look like a pirate wannabee"
The problem I had was that his shirt and vest were too much like Allan's. I kept thinking that was Allan I was seeing at the edge of my screen in the last few episodes.

And I said earlier that I "quite enjoyed" this episode. That may have been a poor use of words. "Was quite satisfied by this episode" would probably be better, because this was such a tear-jerker, and I don't think of tears and "enjoyment" as being synonymous.

28 June 2009 at 06:16  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

RH:
"The really important scenes in this episode, indeed the most important scenes in the whole 3 series, should have been the deaths of Robin Hood, Guy of Gisborne, and maybe the Sheriff of Nottingham."

I agree with you, these were the main important characters for me that demanded a good ending.

I have to say out of the three that Guy's was slightly better than the spoilers suggested. He did reconcile with his half brother and resume his presumed younger friendship with Robin in that in the end they were bound by friendship rather than hated towards each other. Guy found some redemption at last through death.

The Marion/Robin ending sounded terrible on paper to me but actually didn't turn out too badly.

Sheriff we just died in a massive explosion, not really good enough.

I can understand your disappointment with the constant discrepancies, red herrings, plot devices that go nowhere or sudden turnaround in characterisation and so on but this show has been full of that, expecially this season.

For me the stand out in the acting stakes has always been Richard Armitage, who despite having to have his character act in many ways over the course of three seasons, has kept me with him. Keith Allen has also been very good value too and Jonas was gradually growing on me increasingly, Joe Armstrong was another who did well with what little he had to work with and Lara Pulver was a good late cast addition - pity they are now all gone.

If there is a series 4 (and I rather hope not), it will have to find some good acting replacements, some writers who understand the word "continuity" and new story to keep me engaged. And since I can only see the new story basically repeating the old one but with new people regular viewers have no emotional ties with, I doubt it will take off.

But who knows in this day and age, may be young viewers will enjoy a Robin Hood without any Robin or other characters from canon!

28 June 2009 at 06:56  
Anonymous Laura said...

dcwash: You're totally right about Archer looking like Alan. I wish he was :( Alan would have better sense than to have a rat tail on his head!

28 June 2009 at 07:27  
Anonymous Kate said...

I haven't posted here before, only discovering it after Allan's death. I was sad his character was killed off and def agree they could have used his talent better. But I wonder with these things how much is ruled by the actors, after all do you really think the writers wanted to continue robin hood without a Robin or Marion. Unfortunately the actors themselves move on and the writers face the choice of write them out or replace them. I personally think neither worked or will work for Robin and Marion.
I agree with the critics of Kate, whilst I like Joanne frogatt as an actress I feel she was a token effort to replace Marion and the sex appeal, I personally feel it would have been better if she got together with Allen.
I do feel the format of the episodes recently has been a little irritating. Funny comedy scene to start, always with one merry man entering at a run from stage right, followed by a lack lustre fight. I wouldn't class myself an ardent fan, although have watched every episode from the start, but I started googling half way through the series to see what the comments on the writing this series have been, and got more interested in the fans pov. I didn't really rate isabella's character, I liked it to start with but found it a bit too pantomime towards the end I kinda hope they do make a series 4 to see how they do it, but I think they will find it loses popularity half way through after the original appeal has gone and the central characters missing, which would be such a shame for the first show on television with any credibility in recent years

28 June 2009 at 08:46  
Blogger Jaybadger said...

I found that episode quite good to watch, better than at least a few of the other episodes in Series 3...
I think BBC should consider series 4, but not make it as (sometimes) silly, we've had 3 series of that.
I was absolutely gutted when Gisbourne was killed off. He was one of the best in the whole series. As was Allan... 'him, we liked'
So I guess IF there is Series 4, it'll be Archer as a new Hood, Tuck, Little John, Much and Kate, and one more new guy, a new Sheriff, a new Gisbourne and a return of Isabella. Hmm. As long as it has a HAPPY ending, like Series 1!

28 June 2009 at 09:24  
Blogger robin hood said...

Hi Anonymous "true fan",

And thanks for your opinion.

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Hi Annie,

I have to say I'm not too aware of the "fray of the fandoms". I suppose it happens. But, as you know, my interest is purely Robin Hood as an on-going Legend, subject to many interpretations, and to be the subject of many more to come.

You make a very good point about the referencing of Robin Hood's last arrow, and the detail opf Robin's hand in the grasses of Sherwood. And I certainly agree it was good to see Much getting more credit in this episode than Series 3 as a whole. Long overdue.

My annoyance with all the "red herrings" is simply that they could have been edited out and the time better spent on the "death scenes" (for want of a better phrase).

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Hi dcwash,

Thanks as ever for the input.

Speaking of tears, I was far more moved by the death of Alan than anything which happened in episode 13. And I have to say, that fact alone really suprised me.

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Hi Laura,

I'm afraid I couldn't sit through enough Merlins to blog it.... But thanks for the support here.

I can only express my own opinion; I cannot of course express what others want to say, only provide them with a box in which to do so. And my opinion is only ever that of a Robin Hood fan, not necessarily from the perspective of a Lucy / Harry / Jonas / Joe / RA, fan. (Although I clearly admire them all).

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Hi Rav,

I don't get involved.

My concept is straight forward: "Share the legend".

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Hi Anonymous who "demanded a good ending".

Surely Lara Pulver will come back? If not, then I really do feel cheated that she didn't get a higher profile exit of her own rather than have to share the scene with Vasey, who already had his turn a few weeks ago.

28 June 2009 at 11:05  
Blogger robin hood said...

Hi Laura,

RE Archer's appearance: I think it's a clear attempt to go back to a more conventional appearance for Robin Hood. Tighter leggings, waistcoat, English bow. As in the days of Richard Green, etc.

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Hi Kate,

and welcome.

Yes, I think the problem a show like Robin Hood is bound to come up against is the fact young actors naturally want to move on, whereas one might think Gordon Kennedy (excellent though he is), has had those years in the past and now enjoys the steady work.

When you say "do you really think the writers wanted to continue robin hood without a Robin or Marion", well, according to some official sources, Yes. After all, we were told (I think by RA?) that the writers wanted Marian out, not Lucy.

My issues are not so much with actors leaving and roles having to change, but with the insipid or silly manner of their exits. For example, the sudden discovery of half brothers; the totally unconvincing marriage of Will and Djaq; the murder of Marian. Calling Robin Hood's replacement Archer is just asking for criticism. Compare that to "Robin of Sherwood"'s passing on of the title to a second "chosen one".

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Hi jaybadger

And don't forget: A NEW Nottingham Castle. (If not the entire city judging by the size of that explosion).

Maybe Series 4 will see Robin Hood running around Yorkshire?

28 June 2009 at 11:20  
Anonymous Faye said...

Well, I completely disagree.
Can't say much more than that.

This was the finale I was hoping for. It was beautiful. I was crying all the way through, I just loved it. Everything I wanted in there was there: a decent send off for Allan, more of the outlaws, Robin and Much, Marian and Robin together at last, a beautiful death scene for Robin. I'm so glad he died that way, a painless death for the man who suffered so much.
If there is a series 4, I will no doubt be watching.
And lovely Much survived, I could sing I'm so happy. xD
So much more I want to say but this is the second comment i'm writing, the first seemed to disappear somewhere.

Anyway, I was highly surprised of your review, but then again, if you are watching to criticise every single thing, I couldn't have expected any different.

28 June 2009 at 11:29  
Blogger khandy said...

As with previous episodes this was rushed. I think the writing has been really poor with too much homage being paid to other films and shows. Last night especially.

Although he has improved a little this series the casting of Jonas Armstrong for me was the biggest problem. He just didn't have the experience to take this character beyound the poor writing.

I must be the only person who hated the camp nature of earlier shows, I want action adventage not campy villians painting their nails.

I know I am about the only person who thought Marian returning as a ghost was an overdone cliche but I did. I would have prefered the arrow being shot and no Marian.

The person I felt sorry for was Much. Abused and bullied by Robin for much of the time he then had to lose his best friend. Robin in my opinion did not deserve Much,

28 June 2009 at 12:06  
Blogger Polly said...

I enjoyed this last episode and thought the way Robin Hood died was a good creative plot.

I quite liked that Marian appeared.

The only thing was that there weren't many of the villagers around so it didn't seem like an epic battle to me.

Strangely I didn't feel terribly sad, I think the plot was moving too fast for me, and eel there could have been more focus on individual relationships, via a few moments scattered throughout the episode.

Overall-Thanks allfor the entertainment, I'll miss the characters that "died". Look forward to seeing the actors in other dramas and/or film(s)

Polly xx

28 June 2009 at 12:22  
Blogger Jaybadger said...

I'll watch Series 4 if it happens, I'm curious too see how they develop the whole show...
unless they completely scrap it for more 'Merlin' (which is, by the way, returning for a second series, a clue anyone?)

28 June 2009 at 13:23  
Blogger robin hood said...

Hi Faye,

I'm glad you completely disagree. That's what makes the world go 'round.

"if you are watching to criticise every single thing" - clearly not.

In fact I'm envious, after the show has provided me so much pleasure over recent years, of your response. I honestly wish I could have shared in those emotions. (I did in the past).

28 June 2009 at 13:27  
Blogger robin hood said...

Hi khandy,

I myself have enjoyed Jonas. I think he's been a really good Robin Hood.

And Ghost Marian was, I think, predictable as soon as she got buried in that desert.

I'm also, like you, a HUGE Sam Troughton fan. Rumour is that he's leaving anyway, even if there is a 4th series...

28 June 2009 at 13:32  
Blogger robin hood said...

Hi Polly,

"Strangely I didn't feel terribly sad..." Me neither. And I was fully expecting it. (I was more upset writing about Alan).

Hi Jaybadger,

I never got into Merlin.

I suppose what the BBC are watching out for is which of the 2 (Robin or Merlin), they can best use to fill in between Doctor Who's seasons?

28 June 2009 at 13:36  
Blogger Jaybadger said...

Robin:
I never really liked Merlin either. To be honest, I'm not the niggest Hood fan either, but I find it fun to watch!

28 June 2009 at 15:44  
Anonymous kitty said...

Dire -utterly dire. Summing up Robin Hood has been a good vehicle for both actors and writers .
There have been some fabulous scripts and some excellent actors .
Lucy Griffiths, Richard Armitage , Keith Allen, Sam Troughton and Joe Armstrong are excellent and can deliver any drivel and make it real .
Jonas Armstrong can`t -he needs to be a second bow. The death scene would have been nothing without L.G . If I was a casting agent (which i am not)I would try and pair her up with Richard Armitage in a period drama. The fact i am making such comments as those above illustrates this was not about Robin Hood but the individual components which should not have been the case . This show should have been brilliant but it failed to deliver. The death scenes -oh give me strength -what are we in -a race - and the Prayer Lily was vaguely comic . Series Four -of course there will be - But to servive those that we think are dead unless they are absoloutely dead like Robin and Alan should be bribed and coerced to come back -after all it is only up the road now -or forget it .

28 June 2009 at 16:56  
Blogger robin hood said...

Hi Kitty,

Well, strong condemnation from you for sure.

I would still like to repeat and endorse one of your points: "There have been some fabulous scripts and some excellent actors". Indeed there have.

What we needed though is someone who's passion for the Legend was as strong as Russell T Davies's for "Doctor Who", or Richard Carpenter's for "Robin of Sherwood". I think it takes that kind of committment and quality to keep things on track.

28 June 2009 at 17:46  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Heyyahh people :)
Well, to be honest, I think there are a lot of people being a little harsh :-S I know it's your own opinion but you need to take some things into consideration...
1. there is only 45 mins to pack all the action, emotions and death into! although it would of been nice to have given Guy a better death scene, i can understand that they didn't have enough time to do that!
2. whats this "MY FRIEND" buisness?
Yeh, Robin called Guy my friend, yeah? So? Guy might of killed Marian, but he apolagised and as if Robin hasn't done enough to Guy's life. AY? He basically ruined Guy's life, but Guy forgived Robin. and after all they are brothers and Guy was dieing so what was so very wrong in calling obin's OWN BROTHER, My friend, he was dieing, have sypothy...PLEASE!
AND 3...Get ova Guy killing Marian, they've all forgiven eachother...so get a grip!
I wish Guy hadn't died as i'm sure the BBC are aware now that there is probably no point of making a series 4, as pretty much all the viewers will have left with Guy! I'm upset that he died but i think he deserved the dignified death he had and after all the struggle and misfortune he's had, he feels free, and thanked Robin for excepting him, you see, he really isn't all that bad...
So, people, think! xox

28 June 2009 at 17:49  
OpenID dcwash said...

I read this over on the RobinHood2006.com website, and I'm quoting it verbatim, misspellings and bad capitalization and all.

"Ok I dont know how true this is so please dont take my word/anything I say as fact. But I have a friend who has friend that works at BBC london.

And he reported back to me that a 4th season is highly likely. He told me that a spin off with Archer is on the tabel and may have the titel Robins Legacy. Who/how this friend would get this info I have no idea but I trust my frined is speaking the truth.
"

Yes, it's your classic "friend of a friend" rumor. On the other hand, the "Robin's Legacy" idea makes a lot of sense, and fits in very well with both the changes invested in Series Three and the ending. Maybe too much sense....

28 June 2009 at 18:01  
Blogger khandy said...

I think the person who was so rude and did not leave his/her name needs to get over themselves.

Robin you run a great blog where people can say what they like and not be shouted down si I am saddened that people have to be so nasty.

I think Jonas for me lack Gravitas is that the word. It showed in the rousing speeches he had to make there just want the depth

28 June 2009 at 18:42  
Blogger evielyn said...

So much will have to be done for a 4th series! A new castle for a start. How long would it take the people of Nottingham or even in the country as a whole to build it ? Maybe I am just being a wee bit pendantic here but as most of it seemed to be blown to smithereens it would surely take years to rebuild. Also as King Richard is now a prisoner (fact) so much money had to be raised to free him it almost bankrupted England.So I do wonder what Robin's Legacy (a good title) would all be about

There would have to be a very strong new character (and actor) to become the new Sheriff (assuming that Isabella dies) even if she doesn't who can say if she would be the new sheriff I don't think the story could go down the same road again where would be the point of it?

Richard and Keith were such good strong actors with larger then life characters that who could replace them and in what role? It seems a bit corny to me to have another wicked Sheriff with a new henchman, after Robin's death all of the gang would be so demoralised that they would really need motivation but for what,more of the same?

Robin I told you earlier I love your site for me it is the best and I agree with what khandy says! apart from Jonas, for me he was lovely and at the very last although she was a ghost he did show what Marian meant to him and that he had never forgotten her

28 June 2009 at 19:21  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Cliche or not I LOVED the return of Marian. If Robin was going to die I wanted to know that he was at least going to be with her. I got my wish! I realize that a lot of people were upset about the lack of him shooting his final arrow but this show has not been in keeping with the legend from the start. Why begin now?

I thought that Guy's death scene was very good as well. I always felt that Robin was right when he said to Marian at the end of season one, "I think you feel for him." In some way, she saw the small part of goodness within him. I thought it was fitting that Guy found that small goodness within himself and Robin did as well. In some way it was a fitting tribute to her. Robin finally understood what Marian had seen in Guy. I liked it that Robin met Marian with no hatred in his heart.

I was also thankful that there wasn't a weepy goodbye between he and Kate. It was clear that he did not feel for her the same way she felt for him. So for me the transition to Marian did not seem awkward, but right and true. Honestly, we all know that Robin belongs with Marian anyway. No one else fits like her.

Overall, I liked the episode very much. It reminded me a bit of the old days with the gang working together as a team. It felt more like an ensemble than a solo plot this time. I'll be interested to see what happens from here if they decide to make a 4th. I'll give it a try.

Thanks Robin. It has been great to have this forum during this series. And thanks to all who write. I have greatly enjoyed reading!

-sjl

28 June 2009 at 19:51  
Blogger robin hood said...

Hi everyone,

A variety of opinions are and always will be welcomed here. Surely part of the "fun" is sharing that? I understand the passion of fans as they relate to actors, but mine is first and foremost to the Legend, in all its many and ongoing manifestations.

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Evielyn,

RE your points about Series 4:

New castle? They will probably move to Yorkshire and use the "fake" approach. That is in keeping with Archer's reversion to a more traditional Richard Green type costume, and the fact he came from York. Also, many will try and tell you Robin Hood came from there anyway. (Sorry Yorkshire, Couldn't resist that one!) Incidentally, it looked to me like loads of the City and everyone's livelihood went up in smoke. I reckon a lot more people than Isabella will be looking for new premises in which to work!

The fact King Richard is a prisoner will help loosen up the plot lines. "Robin of Sherwood" was wise from the start not to go down that "Crusades" route. Much better. Avoids lots of issues, and gives Robin Hood back to the people.

PS: I liked Jonas a lot. Tributes to all in due course.

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Hi sjl,

I agree with you that RA / Guy had some great words to say and feelings to express. Absolutely. My criticism was that he should have had more space in which to say them. Yes the show is 45 minutes long, but a lot of those minutes are just chase-about padding.

28 June 2009 at 20:01  
Anonymous Kim said...

Ok, soemthing tells me all ideas for a season four have just gone out of the window. What with no protagonist, no antagonist, no antagonist turned protagonist and no blimming Nottingham, I think we can safely say that with only two original cast members the show is absolutely doomed.

I appreciate your misgivings of this episode RH, but I personally enjoyed it. One thing would have made it so much better in my eyes though: People, please don't leave Guy to rot in the tunnel. His fairly dignified death was ruined by the fact they just left him there. Maybe that's just the 'Guy-fan' in me coming out but I would've thought that it would've crossed their minds.

Aside from that, I think this episode taught us all a very valuable lesson - never give a mentally unstable person poison, even if she is your sister.

28 June 2009 at 20:53  
Blogger Jaybadger said...

Looked at what I typed earlier:
'To be honest, I'm not the niggest Hood fan either, but I find it fun to watch!'
I should watch out for my typos (look carefully)

28 June 2009 at 21:41  
Anonymous Annie said...

Hi, everyone, this is off topic, but a couple people have said Sam Troughton is definitely not coming back for series 4. I'd assumed that was the case, because of his gig at the RSC. But when Much survived, I wondered if Sam is planning to do both. Does anyone have a link to the relevant article?

Thanks!

Evielyn, my guess is if Kate can travel to Loughborough and back in one night, the people of Nottingham won't have any trouble building a castle during the hiatus. :)

28 June 2009 at 22:17  
Blogger Kara said...

Hi all, love reading everyone's comments on the end.

This might seem like a heavy subject, given this is just a show, but I'm curious to know if, when Nottingham Castle was destroyed, was anyone else reminded of the Towers?

I was quite shocked to see the castle towers imploded as they did - it reminded me strongly of watching the World Trade Center crumble on the news eight years ago.

Was the show insensitive or am I too sensitive?

28 June 2009 at 22:23  
Blogger Joni said...

Robin -

You're completely right. I've been saying it for at *least* the last year and a half - the show could have killed off ROBIN before they killed off Marian and they would have survived. It's an ironic title to this final episode, isn't it? Something worth fighting for indeed. Did any of them really have anything left fighting for? You're right. Marian is that "something". It's why Lord of the Rings brought Arwen in more often than the books did - because Aragorn needs more to fight for than "saving the world". That problem is too broad. It's not personal enough. Aragorn and Robin both fight to "save the world" because it's noble, but they fight more specifically because they won't be able to *really* be with the girl they love until that world is safe. It's something that kind of bothers me about the ultimate message of this final episode - are Robin and Marian really only allowed to be happy if they die? Whatever happened to some of the speeches that Marian gave (and Robin gave, for that matter) in season one and. . . gah. It's disappointing.

And (obviously) I could go on about this for days. I am a little protective of Marian's role in the legend, what can I say?

28 June 2009 at 22:29  
Blogger robin hood said...

Hi Kim,

I suppose Guy's body was doomed to perish there. What alternative did it have? Not Loxley, and not the Forest. I guess that compounded the tradgedy of his life and how it went wrong.

Series 4 doomed? I think "they" will totally re-launch with a more "costumed" approach. Less contemporary. (Sadly).

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Hi Jaybadger,

S'okay. I saw it, but everyone knows it's an error.

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Hi Annie,

Considering how fast they all got to York in recent episodes, I can only say Kate must have been absolutely slacking!

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Hi Kara,

Yes. The very first thing which crossed my mind was the "Twin Towers". It looked like some kind of medieval reconstruction. I didn't want to say that at first, in my main review. But the similarities are certainly there. I can only assume and hope it was coincidental.

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Hi Joni,

Agreed.

28 June 2009 at 23:07  
Anonymous Matt said...

Hi havent posted here before but wanted to say that I loved the 3 series and will definately miss robin hood!

About a 4th series, not looking forward to it. I reckon that it will be set somewhere else, maybe London or something, so we can prince john involved again. There is nothing left linking it to Nottingham, with most of the characters dead and the town blown up. However the whole idea of the show will be brought into question in my opinion. I mean with King Richard prisoner, how are the gang going to justify stopping the 'bad' sheriff collecting taxes from the poor to ransom him? If Robin was alive he would of have had to have made a choice between helping the poor or helping his king. Would have been interesting...

28 June 2009 at 23:54  
Blogger robin hood said...

Hi Matt,

and welcome.

Robin Hood's new location will be Yorkshire for sure. The very earliest ballads do mention villages there. (It's kind of a bone of contention between Nottingham and York as to where he lived. They even named an airport after him to try and "win" the debate. Didn't work. I'm a Nottingham man).

I've always seen King Richard as a problem with Robin hood. I don't think, in real life, Robin Hood cared one fig about the "absent King", and I don't think all the Crusader stuff is in the very early tales. Certainly Richard cared nothing for England. He only lived here for a matter of months; preferring France as his home.

But you do pose a very good puzzle about the taxes and the ransom. I've not thought of that before.

29 June 2009 at 00:14  
Anonymous Jack said...

Richard Carpenter ended Robin of Sherwood with "Time of The Teeth"... I mean "Wolf". Commitment and quality? At least these writers in the updated version didn't ever stick vampire teeth on Jonas and call that entertainment.

29 June 2009 at 07:21  
Blogger robin hood said...

Hi Jack,


Unlike the Bushwacker Mobster Merry Men of Series 2/7, for example. And hey, if they broadcast the Scary Morris Dancer Merry Men of Series 2/6 again before the 9.00p.m. watershed, I for one am making an official complaint.

But let's not either of us speak too soon. There's time enough for Ghostie Marian to bring Zombie Jonas back from the grave at the end of Series 4...

:)

29 June 2009 at 08:01  
Blogger evielyn said...

Reading what Joni says about Arwen in the Lord of the Rings made me realise at last what it was that made Robin/Jonas seem so lack lustre. Marian said when she was dying "You keep fighting for me Robin" and he said "I can't go on without you" and I feel now that that was what was his problem although Tuck tried to get him motivated for me he lacked the total commitment because he had lost the beat of his life and now he was only going through the motions. He only really came alive for me in those dying moments with ghost Marian

Like Joni I to am so protective of the legend and I know so many of us used to complain that the script writers never mentioned her, I suppose that until he knew he was dying he felt that he had to move on as best he could ( how many people in real life get married again within months of the death of the love of their lives!)

Its also a well known documented fact that Engalnd was made almost bankrupt by the raising of the taxes to pay for Richard's ransom no wonder he ceased to be popular I believe that he only spent about 6 months all told in England although he was recrowned once the Ransome had been paid and then he was off again

29 June 2009 at 14:26  
Anonymous Laura said...

Quick question about this episode that has been buggin me... if Archer sold Vasey the Byzantine Fire in the first place, how come Vasey didn't recognise him before the duel in the tunnel? Did I miss something? Are they colluding with one another, or just falling prey to some sort of plot hole?

29 June 2009 at 17:10  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Archer sold Vaysey the Byzantine Fire through a third party. It's like ebay, you don't always meet the buyer. Dah.

29 June 2009 at 17:42  
Blogger robin hood said...

Hi Evielyn,

You're right about King Richard. He openly disliked England, and hardly ever was here.

Re Jonas: I like him much more than you do, but several people have speculated about whether his changing role (as scripted) got him down. He really looked happiest at the start as a cheeky adventurer, then did brilliantly conveying those emotions when Marian nearly died, but after that he didn't seem quite as enthused. Near the end, he seemed to really enjoy working opposite RA.

29 June 2009 at 19:27  
Blogger robin hood said...

Hi Laura and Anonymous,

Curiouser and curiouser...

29 June 2009 at 19:28  
Anonymous Laura said...

Wouldn't it be a fabulous plot twist if Archer turned out to be a bad guy? I guess that would leave Tuck in charge of the outlaws though :S

29 June 2009 at 21:02  
Blogger evielyn said...

I wonder if Archer could float either way run with the hare and hunt with the hounds! That would make it even more interesting the various plot lines are endless.

29 June 2009 at 21:46  
Anonymous Laura said...

I would totally watch that! We should be writers, no doubt about it.

30 June 2009 at 04:59  
Blogger evielyn said...

I would love to give it a go, we couldn't do much worse could we?

30 June 2009 at 15:55  
Blogger robin hood said...

Hi all,

If a 4th series is to succeed, an awful lot is riding on Archer.

Especially if Sam Troughton does indeed bow out, and Lara Pulver / Issy, is "dead".

30 June 2009 at 17:23  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Robin.

I have been enjoying your blog since I discovered it during series 3. A question for you : Why do you find series 3 to be much superior than previous series and I think I read somewhere here that you thought this is how they should have started. I am genuinely puzzled as I thought this was the weakest series in terms of story arc, character consistency, interesting plots etc.
Could you please shed some insight

30 June 2009 at 18:20  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Will season 4 be the same?
"A Clue: No"

The first thing is I don't see how Robin Hood series will make me watch "itself" without Robin Hood.
I guess Archer will take the bow, but unless his character will transform into robin hood played by jonas it isn't going to be great show as it was before . + I did't like Isabella as a sheriff but I liked her character. If she survived there is hope for her and the show. I just think that Sheriff Vasey was so much darker and more sneaky during his battles with robin. + every time Hood made a "joke" of him... Surely I am going to miss the old cast and climate of the show I will give the next season a chance.

(SORRY FOR THE MISTAKES... )

30 June 2009 at 20:56  
Blogger robin hood said...

Hi Anonymous,

You asked: "Why do you find series 3 to be much superior than previous series?"

Simple answer:

I DON'T.

The only opinion I've expressed in its favour is that episodes 4 - 9 were very well crafted, a relief after the way Series 2 got derailed immediately after Marian left the forest and her fiance.

30 June 2009 at 21:34  
Blogger robin hood said...

Hi Anonymous-a-Clue

I would watch anything called Robin Hood. But blogging about it is another matter...

It wouldn't be right writing about something I have no faith in when others clearly enjoy it. (Example: "Men In Tights" has not and will never be reviewed on my blogs). Overall, I have loved this show first and foremost because of its cast, and in spite of executive decisions made above that.

30 June 2009 at 21:40  
Anonymous Laura said...

I think *if* they get renewed for another season, there's a tonne resting on all the characters. If Archer = Robin and Kate = Marian, then who = Sheriff, Guy, Isabella? I would like to see John have a bigger part. He's hilarious. I will be so mad if they just move venues to York and have the evil Sheriff of York harassing the people. PLUS, they'd better come up with some eye candy that is as good as Richard Armitage, or I'm out of here ;)

... we're going to need to start a whole new box for "things you would like to see happen next year" if I don't shut up soon. Number one thing: this blog continues! Keeping my fingers crossed.

30 June 2009 at 23:51  
Anonymous Jimena said...

HI!
I'm really waiting for your Tribute to Jonas Armstrong (if you were actually thinking of one!)
I'm from Argentina and this page was a very good guide for me...
thanx for everithing!

1 July 2009 at 00:45  
Blogger robin hood said...

Hi Laura,

Good idea! Give me a day or so and we'll have a "speculation post" for everyone to join in on.


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Hi Jimena,

Definately stay tuned for worthy tributes to Jonas and RA. (Plus those who survived!)

1 July 2009 at 19:30  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I was so glad to see Marion with Robin as he was dying and because she was there I could accept his death and know they were going to a better place together. I wish they had been together in all of Season 3 as I could not accept Robin's behaviour with Isabella and Kate as he should have changed after Marion died but he went back to being the womanizer Marion accused him of being and that made him appear shallow. He didn't seem to miss her at all.I think the original cast was fabulous and I enjoyed Season 1 & 2 much more than season 3. Jonas and Lucy were outstanding as Robin and Marion and I am very sorry the writers decided to change the legend that is Robin Hood.

2 July 2009 at 16:41  
Blogger robin hood said...

Hi Aninymous,

Thanks.

Very clearly expressed.

Of course the Legend will endure as it has for centuries. What these writers did to it will soon pass.

2 July 2009 at 17:49  
Anonymous Rose said...

The programme has been axed :(

Source: http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2009/jul/02/bbc-axes-robin-hood, and apparently the producer confirmed it on twitter.

although I am sad to see it go, at least it ended on a relative high, compared to the mess that would have been series 4 IMHO. None of the remaining characters hold any appeal for me apart from Much and Little John, and I wouldn't be able to bear another series with Kate.

first time poster, sorry to be the bearer of bad news.

2 July 2009 at 18:58  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This was a great episode and a fitting finale to this series and the production as a whole.

The gang all had important roles, in particular Much, and I loved it when Robin said goodbye to them all even though it was so sad.

Archer was fantastic and I have no problems imagining how the story would continue with him as leader.

Guy's death scene was heartbreaking, those were the last words we all wanted and Richard's wonderful acting made them true, poignant and not cheesy at all. Will miss Guy so much!

Robin's death was also well done, I found the bit where he brushed his hand through the grass bizarrely affecting! I wish Marian had never died, but it was a much happier ending for Robin to die and be with her than to go on I think. He was a womanizer, yes, but it was clear he never cared for Isabella or Kate like he loved Marian. Jonas and Lucy did that scene together so well, and I really want to write a fanfic about those first moments in heaven, and also Guy meeting them, and Allan, and Guy finding Meg.

I don't know what I will do on Saturday nights without this show. Yes, it had its flaws, and at times I wish heartily the show had ended with the return of King Richard, the death of the Sheriff, Guy's redemption and Robin and Marian's wedding at Locksley. But it wasn't to be - and sometimes life doesn't go the way you planned and the happy ending is different to what you expected. This was the case with the lives of the gang in this show, and it will live long in my memory.

8 July 2009 at 11:30  
Anonymous Tom's mum Cati said...

Umm, bit pointless being picky now, I know, but it wasn't byzantine fire Tuck found in the castle - it was barrels of 'nut oil', I think. Somewhere after Archer presenting him with a sample he must have found time - amidst all the chaos and fighting - to get round to 'analyse' it after all. And discovered it's main component was this innocuous nut oil the Sheriff just happened to have gallons of lying around. For his next trick he then managed to use it to change all those kegs into Byzantine fire. Not bad for a mediaeval friar with nary a spectrometer to his name, and a battle to worry about outside.

Personally I think there is a lot to be said for burning such clever dicks at the stake....

Have loved your blog btw. If you have a site reserved for the non-appearing 4th series, how about using it as a general forum for discussing all things Robin. I know you have separate blog threads for the different films, TV treatments, etc, but one just to talk about Robin Hood the legend, and the merits/otherwise of its various incarnations would be fun.

My twopenneth,

Cati (whose idea of a real man has ever owed a lot to Richard Greene....)

9 July 2009 at 01:13  
Blogger pAu said...

Hola!!!
Tarde pero seguro. No queria ver el final. Porque realmente no queria que termine.
No me gusto este capitulo.. Aunque puedo admitir que llore en el final. Y me encanto ver a Marian venir a buscarlo.
La muerte de Guy de Gisborne me gusto y sus ultimas palabras a Robin fueron buenas.
Pero la muerte de robin y el final, con esa flor en el pecho!!! Muy malo. Decepción al final de esta temporada.
Es una lastima que no pudieron mantener el espiritu de la 1er y 2da temporada, que fueron muy buenos.

Me encantaron tus comentarios, me cuesta leerlos, pero adoro la traducción.. jajaja
Seguiré leyendo todo lo que escribas..

Desde Argentina Te mando muchos besos.

26 July 2009 at 06:27  
Blogger snowyA said...

I love Robin Hood soo much I can't explain in words how much I love it! Marian should not have died! Thankyou for making such an amazing programme! ROBIN HOOD FOREVER!!!<3

6 September 2012 at 20:08  

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