Saturday, 20 June 2009

Robin Hood, Series 3. Episode 12: “Something Worth Fighting For”.

The Story: This action packed episode begins on the North Road as Robin Hood shows off to Kate his prowess with a “three arrows at once” shot intended to stop the passage of one of Isabella’s messengers. The messenger is carrying a letter to Prince John, telling him she has been forcefully enlisting soldiers with which he can fight against King Richard, whose return seems to be imminent. Wasting no time, Robin Hood and the outlaws run to Loxley and immediately engage in battle there against Isabella’s troops, after which they escort their freed village men into Sherwood Forest.

Whilst this worthy cause is being fought, Archer (revealed in recent episodes as Robin Hood’s and Guy’s half brother), is looking for personal gain. He locates Isabella, and tells her he is her half brother. Ever defensive of her mother’s reputation, Isabella orders him to be locked away, but Archer goes on to tell her his “I have travelled far and wide” story, explaining that he knows many “exotic ways” to kill a man, and that he can help her kill Robin Hood. She is not impressed and Archer is arrested, but escapes the guards on the way to the dungeon.

Sheriff Isabella (in fine form in this particular episode), then conceives a plan of her own. She sends for Kate’s mother, offering her safe passage to Doncaster in exchange for her services. Isabella’s plan involves breaking one of her own mother’s lockets in half, and then having Kate’s mother give one half to Kate and the other half planted on Robin Hood. The idea is that the two halves symbolise a “love pact”, and that if Kate discovers Robin has a half of Isabella’s locket then she will think he has betrayed her. (Are you with me so far? It sounds more complex than it is). Kate’s mother agrees to the plan, and carries it out as instructed.

Meanwhile, in Nottingham, Archer is looking for a way to raise enough money to buy his way out of the city. He consults an old informant he knew, and learns of a secret tunnel into the Castle; a tunnel built by Guy of Gisborne using prisoners. Simultaneously, Guy is telling the outlaws about his tunnel, persuading them it is the route by which they can enter the Castle and prepare to defend it against the advancing soldiers who have been conscripted in neighbouring villages. Kate is totally against any plan which comes from Gisborne, but her objections are overruled. Not only that, but later when she is alone, she finds the half locket by Robin Hood’s possessions, thereby believing he must love Isabella, and leaves for home.

Isabella now launches a second cunning plan. (Was Vasey ever this clever?) She has it announced in the streets of Nottingham that Alan A Dale has been given a full pardon. This results in Robin Hood and all of the Outlaws thinking Alan has betrayed them again. As a consequence they tie him up and leave him in camp whilst they embark for the Castle. When they later assemble to say “This might be the last time we will see each other”, Allan is sadly not in their number.

Archer reaches the tunnel before them, and sneaks up on Isabella. Once again he offers her his services, telling her about the tunnel, and of the risk that Guy will surely use it with Robin Hood to attack her. In return for money he constructs a trap within the tunnel. (No doubt something he learned during his wide travels in the wide, wide East). However, when she pays Archer for his work, she is so insulting towards him that he begins to doubt what he has done.

As Robin Hood, Guy of Gisborne, and Much, are entering the tunnel, Brother Tuck and John are readying to approach the Castle gates. Kate herself is pouring her heart out to her mother about her unrequited love for Robin. Seeing how upset she is, her mother tells all about the locket, at which point the “feisty village girl” (I love her), runs to join the rest of the outlaws.

Beneath the Castle, Archer’s trap springs on Robin, Guy, and Much, as limestone cascades down from the ceiling to “drown” them all. (Limestone being what an executed prisoner’s body would be cast into). Willing to sacrifice himself for his one time “master”, Much screams out that it is Robin Hood who has to live, and he and Guy join arms to lift the outlaw leader towards the grate above whilst the white chemical swiftly engulfs him.

Outside the gates Brother Tuck is about to launch into his third “sermon” (err, sorry), speech of the day when the rescued men from the Village of Loxley come to support them. Tuck had been wanting to train them to fight, but John saw the folly in achieving that. So now Tuck turns to Ghandi for his inspiration, (okay, he doesn’t actually say “Ghandi”), and arranges for a peaceful “sit-in” demonstration when the army arrives. (Don’t worry. It’s better than it sounds, and I resisted going off to make a cup of tea).

Back at camp, Allan has been able to cut himself free from his bonds, and is leaving. He is obviously upset at not being trusted. However, he is soon defending himself from an attack by soldiers, and determines to reach Robin Hood and warn him of their gathering presence. But it is a journey he will not complete, as arrows begin to fly from out of the surrounding forest, finding their mark deep in his body. With his last breath Allan looks up to see who is responsible. We do not see the face of the person who has led this attack, but Allan recognises them: “You!”

Brother Tuck’s methods are successful in blocking the Castle gates, and the troops themselves are reluctant to draw their swords against the seated peasants. (Not how it was in Gisborne’s tongue cutting days). Whilst Archer looks on from the sidelines, Isabella appears on the battlements. She is impatient, and shoots a crossbow bolt into Tuck’s arm. (A pity it wasn’t his larynx). But still the soldiers will not fight. However, when Kate turns up, Isabella instructs one soldier to kill her or die himself. This is the moment Archer can idly stand by no more and, as he throws his Eastern style throwing thingy into the soldier’s back to save her, all hell breaks loose and the battle begins.

Archer and Kate then run to save Robin. Pulling the three of them from the limestone, Kate tells Robin about the locket plot, and all is well. In the Castle above, Isabella’s captain is deserting her. The captain’s words are ominous: “You don’t realise what’s happening here do you? It’s over Isabella”, and away he rides.

Having taken possession of the Castle, Robin Hood is renewing his vows on justice to the people, but their victory celebrations are cut short when a tearful Much brings news of a grim discovery. Allan’s lifeless body has been delivered to the gates of the city. Not only that, but a mighty army has assembled on the horizon. And guess who’s leading it: Vasey! Yes folks, our beloved Sheriff of Nottingham is back. Not only that, but Isabella’s captain is with him, and turns to him saying: “The plan is in place”.

Comment: Putting aside all our grievances and concerns of the last few episodes, in which the entire history and premise of the show seemed to have been turned on its axis, this episode was a guilty pleasure. Full of action and (apart from Tuckie), quite stirring. I think the reason I enjoyed it is simply because I finally got to see all the “merry men” getting involved for a change. For once, the cast which is at the heart of the show’s success, were given chance to interact. (There was a nice little moment when they were all embracing prior to battle, and Guy stood and observed their camaraderie).

Lara Pulver’s Isabella continues to impress throughout, and I’m keen to see her meet her predecessor. I suppose, given the more ridiculous aspects of the show’s track record, the simple fact that Archer chose Kate to rescue Robin with him, means she and Archer will be "involved" before Jonas even exits by the stage door. (And is John wearing make-up on his eyebrows now?) But hey, fans of Archer, and this “new direction”, will have enjoyed watching tonight for sure.

And what can we say about Joe Armstrong? I shall save a more embellished review for a future post, but suffice to say his scenes here were what we’d been waiting for. Albeit relatively short in duration, Joe once again conveyed the richness of the character he’d developed and made his own. He’s already been much missed this series, and now will be so for the series to follow. Another original cast member who won’t ever quite be replaced.

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Blogger robin hood said...

Robin Hood Series 3 Cast:

Robin Hood - Jonas Armstrong
Kate - Joanne Froggatt
Guy of Gisborne - Richard Armitage
Tuck - David Harewood
Sheriff of Nottingham - Keith Allen
Little John - Gordon Kennedy
Much - Sam Troughton
Allan-a-Dale - Joe Armstrong
Isabella - Lara Pulver

20 June 2009 at 21:26  
Anonymous kitty said...

One down -how many to go ? What did Jonas say three in one interview and several in another .
Joe Armstrong is an exceptionally good actor although he was not used enough. the speed and wit in his delivery could have been both explored and exploited to a greater extent .I take it he really is dead -we did see him absoloutely dead didn`t we ? .It is bizarre and rather curious watching , in the blink of an eye the hoodies are at the point of death due to Issy and the next they are all supporting each other against a greater baddy .

20 June 2009 at 21:39  
Anonymous kitty said...

I noticed that next week Marian returns ?
Is she a ghost?
Popped back to take her husband over to the otherside and pick her ring up at the same time ?
Or did she wisper to Djax as she lay dying not to let Robin know there was a chance she could survive in case he stayed behind to look after her and his first duty was to England .
Will she kill Gisbourne ?
None of the above
Answers on a postcard to R.H

20 June 2009 at 21:52  
Anonymous Hannah said...

Right: First of all I really enjoyed this episode actually- better than a lot of the most recent ones. And second of all; Alan's dead!!!! I've loved him since series one, my favourite forest crush ;) I also think like others that they wasted joe's talent and the character of alan. It made me really hate the gang when they mistreated him in this ep. and there were screams and tears here when those arrows hit (I know, we're a dramatic lot). I also still felt like they rushed his death scenes and the scenes with his body and the gang- it felt like a means to an end, to get rid of his character and make way for the rest of the story.

I also agree that the gang seemed more together and involved this episode, I really liked that.

Still really dislike kate, sorry fans. And actually it's not even to do with marian anymore- I just hate her character, I think she's annoying and useless...sorry, can't help it.

I loved Isabella this episode too, definitely one of the ebst characters in the show currently...she's just so twisted and I love it!

I still don't like Archer either. There's something about him that bores me- he's just not quirky or wily enough for my taste, just very bland.

I thought it was genius to bring the sheriff back- I had been waiting for it but was starting to doubt it would happen. It will really give the end of this series a huge lift.

And I would really really love to see marian back but I've watched over the 'next week' bit againreally closely and didn't see marian at any point. Why do peopl think she's coming back?

Overall I thought it was really good, fast paced and exciting. A step in the right direction.

21 June 2009 at 00:08  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Kitty, I never thought about Marian wispering to Djaq, what a great idea. So maybe Marian comes back with Will and Djaq, help with the fight and Robin leaves with them back to King Richard and he doesn't die. We all expect Robin to die since he announced he was leaving, but what if he leaves the gang in the capable hands of Little John and goes back to Holy Land all happy and healthy with Marian? It would make me very happy.

Prufrock

21 June 2009 at 00:41  
Blogger robin hood said...

Hi Jaybadger,


and welcome.

I'm also sad to see Joe Armstrong go. He was outstanding, and I'll be doing a post about him in due course.

PS: Potential spoilers get deleted. This is not the BBC. We have standards. (I say "potential".)

Hi Kitty,


yes indeed, Joe was not used enough in this series. But what great work he did in Series 2 eh?


Hi Hannah,


Yes I also felt Allan's death scenes were rushed. This whole series seems to have passed in the blink of an eye, maybe because we've seen the central cast so infrequently?

I'm no longer sure why I like Kate. I think it's because she attracts so much trouble it becomes funny. For example, in this episode, it was only when she turned up at the gates that all hell broke loose. Up until then, peace lovin' Tuckie's plan had gone so well!

I agree about Archer. It's perhaps wrong to blame the actor, (so I won't), but he's just a walking cliche of an "old style" Robin Hood. A Xena bit part. Sorry to those of you no doubt lining up now to form the "Lloyd's Lemmings / Armstrong's Angels / Armitage Army" style fan clubs and websites, but he just doesn't cut the mustard with me. As you say, Hannah, "bland". He takes the camera away from no-one.

21 June 2009 at 00:51  
Anonymous Kim said...

I loved this episode! Watched it on iplayer after my family phoned and said 'did you watch it?' 'not yet' 'WATCH IT NOW!'. Issy was on fine scheming form - although seriously disturbed she's got more brains than the rest of the cast put together.

Suffice to say that this episode involved an awful lot of screaming at the screen: Allan being tied up by his STUPID mates, Rebecca's deception (I don't like Kate but I don't dislike her either, I'm kinda indifferent but I do miss Marian.), Allan's death - full kudos to Joe Armstrong, shame he didn't get the chance to really showcase his talent until this late stage.

What else can I say, other than I was just a little bit disappointed by the thumping great spoiler the BBC decided to throw us in the credits - Keith Allen's name was there! I knew he was coming back from within the first five minutes! Not good planning there, BBC...

(Maybe they work on the principle that people don't watch the credits, but I do...)

So, one down two to go. I have my theories, and if Much dies then I am storming the BBC with nothing but a teaspoon and a staple remover as my arsenal.

21 June 2009 at 09:55  
Anonymous Kim said...

Me again, just one more thing - what was with Issy's dress this episode! I thought I was watching Pirates of the Caribbean for a second there.

21 June 2009 at 10:14  
Blogger robin hood said...

Hi Jaybadger,

My reply is simple. We don't do spoilers here.

What we have is a large number of regular readers / commenters, who express a broad variety of opinions on what they've seen, and speculate about the show's future potential directions.

There are other Robin Hood sites which simply cut and paste the BBC spoilers if that's what they want to read. But where's the fun in that? Where's the individuality in that?

21 June 2009 at 10:20  
Blogger robin hood said...

Hi Kim,

I agree with your point about the BBC. They may as well publish the script in advance.

But that said, none of us saw Marian's death coming. So huge suprises could yet be in store...

RE Issy's dress: Amazing wasn't it. And I like kate's "green number"...

21 June 2009 at 10:24  
Anonymous Faye said...

What can i say? I LOVED that episode! We saw more of the outlaws, it reminded me of the long lost series 1 and 2 :) I just loved every minute of it. For once. I really liked Archer, i tihnk he's an interesting character myself. Wish he wasn't called Archer though.
I loved Isabella - you can't deny she's got brains!
One thing though - Allan's death. I was GUTTED! He's been one of my favourite characters through the whole show. Why couldn't Tuck have died instead? Wouldn't have minded that ;) Anyway I felt really jelly legged after the show finished! Truely gutted. I just hope against hope lovely Much doesn't go as well.
Oh and I loved seeing the old Sheriff again, gave me a thrill that did. I missed him. :D

21 June 2009 at 12:27  
Blogger robin hood said...

Hi Faye,

Yes, whilst I hope Isabella remains as the Sheriff, seeing Keith Allen again like that was great.

21 June 2009 at 13:27  
Blogger Jaybadger said...

heh. Sorry about the comments you had to delete!

I won't say any potential spoilers. Promise. All I want to say is it's a pity Allan is dead (I can't stress that enough!), I guess the people brought Archer in 'coz he's also, in a way, cheeky and many times self-centred (or that's how the producers are trying to do,anyway), replacing Allan.

Uh-oh, what I just said wasn't a spoiler, right?

21 June 2009 at 13:48  
Blogger robin hood said...

Hi Jaybadger,

Maybe in some ways they are hoping a more "cheeky" Robin Hood will help compensate for Allan going. But personally, I think it's more likely they're trying to resurrect a "Flynn" type.

Although we here appreciate Jonas, it has to be said the general public still tend to have that image in mind. I reckon that's also why his entrance to the show saw him in bed with someone's wife. Loveable rogue and all that.

I wouldn't mind that reversion to sterotype, but I just don't see Archer as the man to succeed.

21 June 2009 at 14:40  
Blogger Jaybadger said...

robin hood:
Well, thing is, looking like it's gonna happen, because since series 2 now the proucers have been stressing that Robin Hood is a title and legend, not just a person...
This could be a possible spoiler, but I just want to tell you this!

21 June 2009 at 15:52  
Blogger robin hood said...

Hi Jaybadger,

I like the idea of "Robin Hood" being a title. The best version ever, "Robin of Sherwood", invented exactly that idea. But in that series it was the "spirits of the forest" (or similar), that chose the Man in the Hood.

I think my problem is with Archer. Some people don't like Kate. I just don't like Archer much.

He kind of reminds me of Bruce Campbell. ("Evil Dead", and various Xena appearances.) I keep thinking any minute now he could break out into those Jim Carry style facial expressions.

21 June 2009 at 16:03  
Blogger Jaybadger said...

robin hood:

I think the idea's OK, at least it leaves many options for the future.
I don't think Kate suits the show that well. I wouldn't mind if she and her family had enough and moved away (in the show), I think they should just leave Isabella the only woman in the main cast (because she's actuallly very good). I had doubts about Tuck but on Saturday I thought that maybe he is good enough, Much is probably one of the best now that Allan is gone :(, Little John is OK, the show needs a Little John and I'll like to see Gisbourne be a baddie again, the whole 'good guy' thing is good but it can't be like that forever!
I have a bad feeling that since now all the 'traditional merry men' are going one by one, that in 2 years time (if RH is still on, highly unlikely) it'll just be some random characters in hoodies running about in the forest.

21 June 2009 at 16:34  
Blogger robin hood said...

I think every version has some kind of impact or influence.

Robin of Sherwood was a MASSIVE influence on Prince of Thieves continuing with a Saracen outlaw, and an angry Scarlet. In turn, Alan Rickman's Sheriff can be "seen" a little in Keith Allen (though in fairness so can earlier versions).

I'm not convinced in the end the Jonas version will leave much of a mark, UNLESS we continue to see a traitor in the ranks (like Allan), or a more prominent Much. A female Sheriffwould be a good idea.

But series 4 is going to have to compete in the public imagination with whatever Scott Ridley's "Robin Hood" (due next year) comes up with.

I'm hoping that has all the Merry men" firmly in place and included in the marketing.

21 June 2009 at 17:38  
Anonymous kitty said...

Fascinating times eh .I have a feeling ( note only a hunch)that series four will drift towards the idea of Robin Hood . I am also of the opinion that it will pull out the humour .
However, regardless of the above I think the lack of a target audience is a marked flaw and until it is addressed the programme will struggle without a defined identity.
Of course they are trying to fill the Dr Who slot but Dr Who lends itself to an earlier watershed because of its fantasy element .It would have been bolder , braver and more original to place R.H after the watershed .That would have offered up much more potential and scope .
It is likely we lose Much as he is committed in other area`s , Keith Allen has said he doesn`t want to do it again . (Throw money at that man)Richard Armitage is unknown as is Tuck /Gordon Kennedy has staed every where he wants to come back as has Lara Pulver and the Archer chap.
With a predominately new cast R.H could be disasterous . I totally agree with you R.H get all the merrys in place or forget it.

21 June 2009 at 20:25  
Blogger Kara said...

I hearby award Alan the 'Most Useless Death Scene' trophy. Ignore the name 'Marian' scratched out on the name plate.

Seriously, this show has killed off a lot of characters over the series, but this takes the cake for pointless, plotless, and wasted. Alan's death doesn't serve any purpose, he doesn't die for an ideal, save anyone's life with his death, manage to deliver any message before he dies, etc.

What on earth where the writers thinking???

21 June 2009 at 20:30  
Blogger evielyn said...

Hi Robin, I only caught up with the episode today so I was gutted with the way the gang treated Allan I was so sorry to see him die, I never saw that coming did anyone else? I really have no idea what is in store for us next week

I haven't read anywhwere that Marian is back so I hope that she comes as a ghost for Robin in the dying moments that would be worth all of the last series for me but I am just a soppy old romantic

I felt that there was a smidgen of something between Archer and Kate if she is back for the next series I feel he could handle her better! It never feels right between her and Robin she is always on the defensive with all the others, a thing that Marian never was she was nice to all of them.

Isabella as usual was brilliant I am dying to see how she handles Vasey (and he her) they have both met their matches I think

Hope this is all okay Robin I don't think I have written anything that I shouldn't.

21 June 2009 at 20:39  
Blogger Kara said...

I hereby award Alan the "Most Pointless Death Scene Ever" trophy. Ignore the word 'Marian' scratched off the nameplate.

Seriously, Alan's death is pointless, plotless, and serves no purpose. He doesn't die defending someone, saving someone, delivering a message, standing up for an ideal, etc. He's just... killed off, and it serves no story purpose.

What were the writers thinking?

21 June 2009 at 20:43  
Blogger robin hood said...

Hi Kitty,

After the "watershed" would indeed have been a bold move. And considering the almost total lack of "child orientated" merchandise the show has produced to raise revenue, they had nothing to lose.

Richard Armitage's lusting after Marian for example, not to mention the cultural issues surrounding the Crusades, would surely have been a winner with an adult audience.

I think the lack of a "target audience" is in part due to the inconsistencies we've observed in the writing. It's hard for the fans to really immerse themselves in such a chameleon style show. You have life long Hood fans like myself, then you have the "teens" (certainly no patronising offence intended), who followed Harry, then you have the "saturday night family viewers", a lot of whom probably wondered all along where Jonas's little green hat was... And on and on.

You are so right. They need to really target this show better. However, with "fake" fantasy castles, and a grinning rogueish womaniser Robin, I fear that's what they're doing, and it's a sign of what the future holds.

21 June 2009 at 20:54  
Blogger robin hood said...

Hi Kara,

I agree Allan (Joe) deserved a better send off. But we'll be paying our respects soon, right here on this blog.


"Him, we liked".

21 June 2009 at 20:55  
Blogger robin hood said...

Hi Evielyn

Very sad about Allan. I think a tribute here during the week is in order.

You could be right about Kate. I personally like her. She kind of kicks first and asks questions later. It will be a bit odd if she suddenly starts expressing undying love for Archer, after the conversation she had with her mum about Robin. But hey, stranger things have happened!

21 June 2009 at 21:01  
Anonymous kitty said...

R.H
I admire your principles about spoilers but it appears Series Three boxed sets have been delivered early . There are also articles in the papers .
MOST IMPORTANTLY
will you still run a blog ? Three years is a long time to keep chatting to people for it to suddenly stop .

21 June 2009 at 21:02  
Blogger robin hood said...

Hi Kitty,

The blog question is on my mind a lot at present. It has indeed been a long time, and a most enjoyable platform to offer people and to read myself.

On the one hand I don't want to be reviewing something I have diminishing regard for. It would be kind of unfair to be regularly writing anything negative when other people are enjoying it. On the other hand, MOST of Series 3 has been favourable, and who thought that would be the case one year ago??

So, I am considering it, and have a site reserved just in case.

21 June 2009 at 21:08  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

well...i cant say enough..this ep was great n am sad that jonas is going to die n so is joe...joe is a good acotr n i was hoping to see more of him...and the captain was rgt.."its over isabella"

21 June 2009 at 21:54  
Blogger Paige said...

Well, I waited to write my comments until I had calmed down a little. (Plus it was after midnight when I finished the ep.)

Whew... What can I say that is more coherent than...

*kicking* *screaming* *throwing things out the window* *sobbing*

...Hmm. Nothing's coming to mind cause that's about all I feel like doing.

As someone who is very bad about spoilers (meaning, if it's there, I'll read it) I knew Allan died this ep. I also knew how and under what circumstances, b/c of the time lapse between the UK viewers and when I can see it. I had already read a bunch of negative responses, and was about as prepared as someone could be, and I was still sobbing by the end.

Allan has been my favorite character for a really long time. He was one of the main reasons I stuck around this season. The way that he died was so terrible I wanted to throw my computer out the window. What was the point? Couldn't he have been fatally injured but still made it to Nottingham to warn Robin? Then he could have died knowing that his friends were sorry and that he had warned them of the danger. Would that have been so hard?

This season has been a waste of Allan's character. We never got the Guy/Allan scene many people were hoping for. All Guy gives him when he asks for help is a shrug. And he seems to have forgotten his own catch phrase. Joe is an amazing actor, and he rocked his acting socks off in his scene with the gang. I was so mad that they all turned on him like that. Since when do they take Izzy word for things? Allan hasn't told a lie all season. (A fact that makes me very sad. I love it when he lies...)

Knowing before hand that Allan was going to die really overshadowed the whole episode for me. I really couldn't enjoy any of it. Archer seemed much more bland this week, and the slightly positive impression I had of him last week is gone. I could really care less about him.

Tuck was preachy. Kate was whiny. Guy was broody. LJ was gullible. And Much was Much. The fight between Kate and Izzy was kind of odd. Is it wrong that I was hoping Izzy would push Kate over the rail?

Regarding the future of the show, and how they could have targeted it better, I think you all have good points. However, I'm glad they chose to do it pre-watershed, as I enjoy TV much more when there is less 'content'. I think a lot of UK shows get a little gnarly for me. I've always liked how relatively clean this show is.

I do think it's a pretty hard show to target, as you said Robin. I'm a teen, and I came because of Richard Armitage (I know, it's weird. I've always been anti-Guy.) However, I'll admit that the younger actors definately kept me looking.

I have to stop now, but I'll finish that thought later...

21 June 2009 at 22:56  
Blogger robin hood said...

Hi Paige,

and thankyou for the heartfelt words.

I have also been a huge Joe fan which (for reasons you'll see in my tribute), suprised me. He is a great loss, but I think, as an actor, he's leaving at the right time.

I have mixed feelings about his death. Yes it was too short an event. Yes I agree the "merry men" could have had more to say to him when he was defending himself.

However, there was something very striking, almost iconic, in the way his body was placed there at the gates. And I am hoping there will at least be a respectful ceremony next week.

22 June 2009 at 01:20  
Blogger Royal_Nonesuch said...

RH,

You are right about he Archer/Campbell connec\tion. Though I must say I think Campbell is more talented and better looking. That is not yto slight Clive Standren (sp?) I think he is talented, but, as you say, a bit bland and cliche'd. Speaking of "Xena", did anyone here ever see Bruce Campbell's King of Thieves Autolycus role on there? I think he would have been ideal for Archer.

I enjoye dthe ep as well, but, again, I wish Guy and Allan had some interaction. I hope we see some interaction between Guy and Kate next ep as well.

22 June 2009 at 01:59  
Blogger robin hood said...

Hi Royal-Nonesuch,


But, I will give Archer a chance. It's just that, with me, Jonas created an impression right from the very start, as a fresh, contempotrary hero. No doubt everyone remembers that large dark hood he emerged from under? That was a really dramatic entrance.

22 June 2009 at 10:06  
Anonymous Faye said...

"However, there was something very striking, almost iconic, in the way his body was placed there at the gates. "

Completely agree, I thought that was good. I just wish he hadn't died. I've been writing RIP Allan A Dale all over my work all day. But what's done is done.

22 June 2009 at 17:00  
Blogger Jaybadger said...

robin hood: PLEASE don't ever stop this site, it is the only place I can pretty much discussing it(*and hearing other's opinions). I've only found this site about a couple of days ago, and I like it!
Do also update this site with news related to the show?

22 June 2009 at 17:12  
Blogger evielyn said...

Hi Robin,I thought the placing of Allan at the castle gates was dead symbolic some how! I do hope that we see a bit of a guilt trip for Robin and the gang next week,If they have time that is, by all accounts it would seem that they are all going to be very busy.

Thinking about the episode now in the cold light of day Allan did deserve better then he got it was indeed a very pointless death!

22 June 2009 at 19:57  
Anonymous Hannah said...

Kim, I think I'll join you at the BBC with that teaspoon and staple remover if they kill Much as well. But I wouldn't be at all surprised if it happened. One way or another I think he'll leave as I'm sure sam troughton has other projects.

And Paige, I was also whispering under my breath for Izzy to push Kate over the balcony ;)
I definitely think there's a something between archer and kate. I think as she only joined this season that she'll stay for next, and become Archer's counterpart instead.

I actually really like the post watershed idea. I know they couldn't really do it as it is a deliberate fill for Dr. Who's family audience. But I would have loved it a lot more with darker elements personally. I really liked those parts of the prince of thieves film like the witch, the almost-got-his-hand-chopped-off bit, the deaths of the sheriff, witch e.t.c, the fate of robin's father... I could go on. I remember being so excited when I was allowed to watch it- I loved all the darkness and gore! I think the show could have really gone places with that sort of take on it, but I guess it just couldn't be that way.

I have to voice my thoughts on Guy a bit as well. I love Richard armitage and he's always been brilliant in this role. I'm actually really enjoying Guy at the moment purely for the character he is at present. However I can't accept his 'turnaround' when I think of his character in previos series. Yes, I know he had a troubled childhood, yes I know he loved and lost Marian and Meg- but the guy of series 1 and 2 was a monosyllabic muscle man who had a decidedly sadist side and was pretty much psychologically disturbed; and yes, had shades of grey but no true good side. Am I supposed to believe that this Guy is now articulate, the repentent sinner, a dark hero? A Guy that now just wants to do the right thing and has conveniently forgotten about his power hungry, pleasure from other's pain side? Because I can't believe it. I know they've written in a reason for it, but it's way too far fetched for me. I love both Guy's, but for me they are not plausibly one and the same.

22 June 2009 at 21:14  
Anonymous kitty said...

Jonas is a good second actor-with Much ,recently with Gisbourne . He is a good foil . But does not have the screen presence of some of the rest of the cast .
Archer is prettier than Hood but hasn`t have an identity yet . he could work well with Much or Gisbourne and no doubt will collect a young teen fan club. I hated Alan`s lonely isolated death . I disliked intensely the presumption of others based on very little evidence .They all seem to become seriously cerebally challenged at times .

22 June 2009 at 22:06  
Blogger robin hood said...

Hi Jaybridger,

Certainly (as in the past), this site goes on after Series 3 is finished. What happened before is "we" all have our say about the individual characters, and where we THINK the show is heading next year. So that is certainly on the cards.

Thanks for your enthusiasm, which i know is appreciated by all.

23 June 2009 at 01:03  
Blogger robin hood said...

Hannah,


You mak a good point about the "watershed". An important aspect of growing up is being scared witless by Daleks, or seeing Grange Hill sixth formers fall in love (or even become junkies if I remember rightly).

It amuses me that Channel 4 do interviews with Primary School kids regarding their favourite housemate on Big Brother!


So yes, they could push the boundaries a little further. (Not as far as murdering key female players though!)

23 June 2009 at 01:07  
Blogger Royal_Nonesuch said...

"But, I will give Archer a chance. It's just that, with me, Jonas created an impression right from the very start, as a fresh, contempotrary hero. No doubt everyone remembers that large dark hood he emerged from under? That was a really dramatic entrance."

You are so right about that. I am willing ot give Archer a chance too as I think he has some potential. But JA, I think, really was a bretah of fresh air (despite some of his weakenesses).

23 June 2009 at 03:06  
Blogger evielyn said...

Hi Robin,I have just read a letters in next weeks Radio Times from a lady who is extolling Clive Standen as Archer she says that he is a welcome addition as he oozes charm and sex appeal and says that if he is the new Robin Hood then we are in very good hands!!

The reply is that a number of HOODIES have written in to express their excitment about Clive Standen but that there is no confirmation of his status as the show itself hasn't been recommissioned as yet!!
So now we know.

23 June 2009 at 20:54  
Anonymous kitty said...

After the watershed would have allowed a sense of realism of Dark Age Britain instead of a bubblegum version. Drawing from history but making human nature real regardless of time .
I remember too being scared witless by the Daleks but I didn`t relate to them I felt no empathy . I did at times have a sense of injustice especially in relation to Marian but not nearly enough .
I would like to think the viewing population would be able to take a journey into the past without it being a history lesson.Although, the current expenses row makes me think of Henry the seventh and middle class ministers (nothing changes)

I know it was just a fun programme but in our current times we need a hero .

23 June 2009 at 22:21  
Blogger robin hood said...

Hi Kitty,

"In our current times" we do indeed need a hero.

The best of entertainment has always had the nerve to "make a comment" or "take a stand".

I always wanted Robin Hood to represent someone who did his duty honourably, and without question. But I always wanted the "bigger picture" to convey that what he was asked to do by his superiors was fundamentally flawed. We saw some of that in the early parts of Series 1. (Remember that scene where Much cries in the bath? With no spoken explanation?)

And the importance of Marian (one of many), was her hope that Robin would remove the wool from his eyes...

He never has. And in our current times, he should.

23 June 2009 at 23:17  
Blogger robin hood said...

Hi Evielyn,

I suppose the Radio Times is going to accent the positive...

And fair does, he could turn out to be brilliant. But I reckon it's a loooong step backward into a more cliched interpretation.

We'll see... That is IF the show gets re-commissioned.

23 June 2009 at 23:25  
Anonymous kitty said...

R.H I agree -Clive is pretty , maybe too pretty and terribly young. His normal habitat would be an anti trident camp or some such space age travelling form .
Of course it will get re-commissioned -what else do they have . But i have a hunch albeit only a hunch that it will be cliched and as bargain basement as possible.
I will miss Keith Allen that is no spoiler -his exit has been well documented .We all suspect Gisbourne will go ( and half the female viewers )
I want a cast of older people not just pretty youngsters .

24 June 2009 at 22:02  
Blogger longleggedharry said...

Well done BBC. A fantastic season has sadly come to an end. So to the chance of a 4th season. The acting by all in this series was impressive. The new comers were equally as impressive. I really enjoyed Isabella and Tuck, although I think they got it all wrong with Kate and Robin. Robin forever was with Marian, Much liked the lady in Bonchurch( season 1) and Allan should have ended up with Kate. I felt so sorry for Allan. The gang could never trust him and that ultimately led to his death. He was amazing and to see Allan die was dreadful. He had nothing but his love for Robin and his gang, and although he was accepted back into the gang he was never treated the same. Friar Tuck was my favourite character. He made Robin believe in himself. He was a fighter who fought for England and god. Immediately once accepted into the gang he was almost regarded as 2nd in command. His leadership qualities was what helped save them on numerous occasions. And wow did Guy of Gis ourne change for the better. It was great to see him on the good side. Really it should have happened a lot earlier.he changed into a good man and his death along with Allan's saddened me the most. He died saving robin something we never would have guessed earlier in the series. His ability on numerous occasions to not kill his sister showed he was changing. Isabella was an interesting character. At one stage the love of Robins life and the next his enemy. She was the opposite to Guy. Started out good but turned evil. It seemed Robin always had a soft spot for her. He never wanted to harm her despite the situations. Robin saved her life on many occasions and for this Robin deserved some more respect from her. He never got it. They looked really good together and I was still dissapointed they didn't end up together. Rather she killed Robin but ended up dying. A shame considering they had the potential for a future together. As for Robin throughout the whole series he never stopped fighting. He said it himself they his has cheated death too many times and his time was up. He gave his people hope that the day would one where England would be rid of evil. He didn't pay his best friend Much with the respect he earned. His best friend and they fought together in the holy land. This season their relantionship was breaking. They should have done more to keep them together. And finally little John. Always cared for his people and sometimes a little too much. He had a big heart and anger from leaving his family which he held inside him. He rarely let this anger out ( season 2). His loyalty was outstanding and be also gave England great hope. Learnt to respect Gisbourne to. A very good finale to a very good series. Deserved a lot more attention than what it got. Good emotionally too. I am still hoping for a spin off. Jonas led the cast amazingly and BBC made the mistake of not paying him enough. They effectively killed off this series and they should be ashamed. The series had so much potential to be so much better. Saying that well done though! The gang of 4 live on and so does the legend of Robin Hood. WE ARE ROBIN HOOD!!!!

1 February 2012 at 04:48  
Blogger robin hood said...

Thanks Longleggedharry.

As you know, everyone here was in broad agreement. Even though it's unlikely a group of such talented young actors would have wanted to go on for much longer in one role. But that certainly doesn't excuse some of the dodgy writing and plot lines.

The loss continues to be Lucy. I expected to see her much more on TV by now given her amazing popularity and the number of period dramas the BBC churn out.

1 February 2012 at 10:12  

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