Saturday, 4 April 2009

Robin Hood. Series 3, Episode 2: Cause and Effect.

Above: It looks like Kate's relationship with her mother is rather similar to Marian's with Edward.

The story: Episode 2 starts with an effective collage of sequences showing Robin Hood has returned to his original cause; that of “taking from the rich to give to the poor”. “We’re back!“ beams Much, and that indeed is the basis for a story in which Jason actually gets to smile once or twice.

The action proper starts in Loxley where Gisborne is forcefully conscripting the men of the village into the army. What they are not aware of is that this is another money making scheme of the Sheriff of Nottingham, who is selling these men on to the Irish leader Fin Mac Murrough. Fin intends building an army with which to fight the British and thereby become King of Ireland.

One girl in the village, Kate (whose appearance has been much anticipated by the Hoodies here), attempts to smuggle her brother Matthew out of the village, but Gisborne sees her, and her brother is taken away. Kate herself kicks free of the guards before running into the forest, where Robin Hood drags her into the bushes and to safety.

After a while, in which it is obvious that both Allen and Much have taken quite a shine to Kate, they all catch up with the prisoner conscripts and observe from a safe distance. Safe that is until Kate decides to do the usual “girlie” thing at times like this (sorry girls!), and charges headstrong at the soldiers. (Why do girls do this in the movies? You tell them not to go in the cellar, and they always do). Of course at this point a fight ensues and the Outlaws escape to the Forest whilst (yep, you guessed it), Robin is captured. But at this stage, no-one knows Robin Hood is amongst the prisoners. However, upon reaching Nottingham Castle, Kate wastes no time in informing Gisborne that Robin is amongst the imprisoned conscripts in exchange for her brother’s freedom. Not a wise move when Gisborne is within 30 centimetres of his trusty sword, and her brother Matthew soon feels the cold steel consequence go through him, as Robin (yep, you guessed it), is thrown in the dungeons.

The Irish leader Fin, a guest of the Sheriff’s, has been watching all this and is very impressed at the way people are willing to fight for Robin Hood. So he visits Robin in the dungeon, hoping to enlist him in his fight for a free Ireland. Fin promises Robin he can become King of England whilst he himself takes the Irish throne. But Robin lets him know in no uncertain manner that England already has a king in Richard. However, whilst they are talking, Fin doesn’t notice Robin take what appears to be either a buckle or large item of jewellery, from the Irish man’s belt. So once Fin leaves the cell, Robin uses it to quickly pick his padlocks, loosen a stone from the wall, and break free from his chains if not the cell itself.

Back in Sherwood Forest, Kate is confessing to the Outlaws that she gave up Robin to Guy in order to save her brother, and that she would do it all again. Kate’s opinion of Robin Hood is somewhat different to that of your average Loxley Villager. “You think the idea of Robin Hood is more important than his life?” she says, “You make me sick”. Indeed, this idea that Kate dislikes everything “Robin Hood” is raised several times throughout the story, no doubt building up to some future reconciliation? Anyway, returning to Loxley, she informs her mother of Matthew’s fate. (A mother incidentally who appears to dislike Robin Hood even more than she does, holding him responsible for bringing the wrath of Gisborne down upon them every Saturday evening about 6:30p.m.) However, regardless of either her own opinions or those of her mother, Kate decides to return to the Outlaws and try and help free the conscripts.

Within Nottingham Castle, Fin and his brother Tiernan have been conspiring to free Robin and enlist him in their cause. But Tiernan has ideas of his own, so when a fake fire fails to get the guards to unlock Robin’s cell, it is because Tiernan has taken sides against Fin and informed the Sheriff of the plan. Result? You guessed it. Off to the dungeons it is, where Fin and Robin now share the same cell. (Which is about as wise as Kate‘s earlier headlong attack against an army of soldiers.)

Outside the Castle the Outlaws are making plans for what to do next. “Well apparently you’re the leader Tuck”, says Allen, and with no argument from anyone else, Tuck commences to take charge. However, he doesn’t have to take the lead for very long as Robin Hood and Finn have used the “buckle” to remove enough bricks from their cell for them to crawl down the ventilation shaft, kick a grate from the end of the shaft (like they do in all the best ventilation shaft scenarios), and glide down free from the castle battlements using an improvised tent canopy. Exciting? Well, I liked it a lot better when he back flipped off that balcony in Series 1, Episode 1.

Cut to the Coastal Road, on which the Sheriff and Tiernan are taking the conscripts to their destination, and where the Sheriff expects to receive his payment. Robin Hood has somehow managed to get there even before Gisborne (maybe another glider?), but regardless of who got their first (you guessed it) a huge fight ensues after which the conscripts are freed and Fin and Robin Hood part as friends. But not before Robin gives yet another of his soul stirring speeches (he just can’t resist it can he?), which probably has most of the conscripts wishing they were back in the dungeons…

Two little scenes at the end which will prove significant:

On their journey home, the Sheriff and Gisborne encounter Prince John’s escort, all expecting their money. Instead of money the Sheriff hands them Gisborne, leaving him to explain to Prince John what happened, and knowing it will probably result in Gisborne’s death. (Let’s hope, if Gisborne’s not in next week’s show, that he’s not gone too long).

The other scene involves a brief talk between Robin Hood and Kate, who apparently “Doesn’t want to see him again“. Hmmm….. (Who yawned?)

Comment: After last week’s promising re-launch, mostly thanks to Richard Armitage’s “Wild” Guy, and the prospect of a new Outlaw in Tuck, I’m afraid I found this all a bit hollow, repetitious, and predictable. I like the new costumes, and a bit of basic “special effects” (as in the view from the battlements) is welcome. But surely we can extend the parameters of every storyline beyond the usual “throw him in the dungeons, we’ll kill him later” scenario? And I would have liked to see at least some opposition to newbie Tuck assuming the “leader” role.

Thoughts about Kate: Her relationship with her mother is probably intended to supply a bit of the tension Marian had with her father. Joanne Froggatt acts her part very well. Indeed, whereas several regulars were practically asleep, she showed more energy and involvement in this episode than most of the cast who seemed largely to be functioning on remote. And she probably has the most convincing accent. But I hope her Kate character will prove to have more to offer than one of cliché “girlie liability”. Sorry if I sound a bit cynical. These are only my opinions, after a promising episode last week. Maybe you disagree?
Above: The Sheriff casts Guy of Gisborne's fate to Prince John.

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Blogger robin hood said...

Robin Hood Series 3 Cast:

Robin Hood - Jonas Armstrong
Kate - Joanne Froggatt
Guy of Gisborne - Richard Armitage
Tuck - David Harewood
Sheriff of Nottingham - Keith Allen
Little John - Gordon Kennedy
Much - Sam Troughton
Allan-a-Dale - Joe Armstrong
Sir Jasper - Lee Ross
Mary - Ellie Darcey-Alden
Abel - Alexis Latham
Younger guard - Andoni Zorbas

4 April 2009 at 21:05  
Blogger evielyn said...

Hi Robin
I have just watched it and I found it awfully complicated I couldn't hear all what was being said between the brothers I had to keep rewinding it to catch up !!
And I think that I agree with you it was a bit disappionting the special effects weren't too bad I liked the Dungeon scene at the start when Robin was trussed up and I like the crowd scenes. In the last 2 series there weren't the people around that there seem to be now emphasizing the talk perpetuated by Tuck about"all of England talking about one man"
I do hope this doesn't continue every week as it won't seem to be going any where will it? I can't make up my mind about Kate's character either,but she has time to grow on us.
Its early days I know but as you say they only did what they have all done before Hopefully it will hot up more when Prince John arrives Guy was good he hates everyone now that can only get better.

4 April 2009 at 22:56  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Okay, here's my problem...

This show was always a little silly. Crazy things would happen all the time, but I would just smile and go with it, because it was obvious that no one was supposed to take it so seriously.

But Marian's death has changed everything. After the brutal murder of the English Rose, the show suddenly changed its tone, with everything becoming very Dark and Serious. hasn't. This week we were back to the crazy stunts and the ridiculous anachronisms. In wake of such an horrific death in the final episode of S2, the previously silly, fun stuff has just become the unspeakably stupid stuff.

I mean...a hang-glider. Really, show? *Really*?

What does this show want from me??

4 April 2009 at 23:14  
Blogger robin hood said...

Hi Evielyn,

The dialogue between the two Irish brothers was indeed hard to follow at times. In fact I had to search the 'net to get their full names.

And does Keith Allen look rather bored with it all now?

4 April 2009 at 23:38  
Blogger robin hood said...

Hi Anonymous,

I think that sums it all up really. This episode would seem to alienate fans of the "fun" approach (for want of a better word), as well as those wanting the darker side.

4 April 2009 at 23:43  
Blogger robin hood said...


Do we know who built those multiple bow and arrow thingys?

Perhaps Will and Djaq have gone into the export business?

4 April 2009 at 23:45  
Blogger evielyn said...

Hi Robin

What was the point of that particular episode?

Keith Allen did indeed look bored after all they have all done it many times before it hasn't moved on in the slightest.

After last week's cracking opener I expected something slightly more serious. As anonymous said Marian's horrific death seems to have faded completely. It was neither one thing or the other

5 April 2009 at 00:19  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thank you for the re-cap. I live in the US so can't watch it yet. I'm still trying to get over Marian dieing. I don't like that Will and Djaq aren't returning either. Do you think the loss of Domenic Manghella (sorry, really bad speller) has anything to with the end of last season and the beginning of this one?

5 April 2009 at 01:09  
Blogger robin hood said...

Hi Anonymous,

I'm afraid my own opinion is that the countless inconsistencies in Dominic Minghella's script, and dubious passion for the integrity of the subject itself, lays at the heart of the whole programme's failure to raise to the status which was within it's reach.

We all knew, after the stupidity of Marian's murder, and the poor way in which a supposed "love" triangle was pursued to the detriment of the central character's centuries old legend, that Series 3 would be about "damage limitation" in an attempt to create a longer running show.

On the evidence of episode 2, it's failing.

Let's hope next week proves me totally wrong.

5 April 2009 at 03:15  
Blogger robin hood said...

Hi Evielyn,

I've been a big fan of Keith Allen since he first started cropping up on channel 4 many post-punk years ago. He certainly is one to wear his heart on his sleeve....

5 April 2009 at 03:17  
Blogger Paige said...

Hi Everybody,

I agree with what you guys have been saying. I like the 'fun' aspect of the show, but they (the writers) made a desision not to let it be just that. However, now they have changed their minds again. *sigh*

This episode seemed to be even more far fetched than usual, and I'm hoping that it's just a 'down' episode, and that things will pick up again next week.

As for Kate... The jury is still out. They are still debating about whether or not to hold her embarrassing stupidity and temper tantrums against her in the very first episode.


5 April 2009 at 06:02  
Blogger robin hood said...

Hi Paige,

I'm also hoping that this is just a 'down' episode, and that next week we'll see more of the standard of episode 1.

I am also hoping that the regular cast shine a little more. (Although R.A. is certainly doing his bit). It would be difficult for David Harewood and Joanne Froggatt to do their best if everyone else is getting "tired" with the familiarities of repetitious story lines.

5 April 2009 at 11:10  
Blogger evielyn said...

Hi Robin & everyone

Just rewatched it again and I have only just realised how little Tuck had to do, after last week he stayed more or less in the back ground apart from the one scene when he laid down the law to Kate.
They were all so subdued it was unbelievable really.

As for Kate and her Mum living in Locksley why are they so against Robin almost as though they didn't know who he was. I thought the whole village was supposed to love him it was after all his at one time so where were they coming from?

I also wondered as well about those Arrow thingy's Surely local villagers in those days would never have had the wherewithall to have made them?

Do you ever wonder Robin how Richard Greene would have suited Robin Hood today with all the modern special effcts and Digital enhancements wouldn't he have had a ball!!

5 April 2009 at 17:53  
Blogger evielyn said...

Hi Robin

Just a thought was there or has there ever been a real Sheriff of Nottingham in the past or do you have a mayor like some of the other towns?

5 April 2009 at 18:14  
Blogger robin hood said...

Hi Evielyn,

We still have a Sheriff of Nottingham. I think the appointment runs for one year, and then another is appointed.

5 April 2009 at 18:34  
Blogger Royal_Nonesuch said...

I'm glad to see the reviews up and running again!

I agree with many of the comments here that the second episode was not as strong as the first, though I am pleased with the new dynamic between Guy and teh SHeriff. It looks like Guy doesn't really care what the Sheriff thinks/wants anymore which is refreshing.

I was alright with Kate, thus far, but I hope she becomes a little less one-note in the future (or at least a little less confrontational because I just didn't really get why she was hating on Robin so much)

I hope the next episode is a strong one (though it looks like Guy will not be involved which means RA won't be involved, which means the ensemble will suffer, I think. My real concern for teh episode, though, is that it will be anotehr one of those classic hit jobs on the Church that ignores the complexity and interconnected nature of Medieval Church life, but we'll see.

Great blog, keep up the good work!


5 April 2009 at 21:30  
Blogger robin hood said...

Hi "Royal",

and welcome back.

yes indeed, that developing tension betweem the Sheriff and Guy is a good theme. Let's hope Guy's not gone too long.

5 April 2009 at 22:31  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I've just realised - Kate is the SIXTH main cast member to have a family member murdered on this show. Out of that tally, she is the FORTH to loose a sibling.

(Will's father; Marian's father; Djaq's parents and brother; Allan's brother; the sheriff's sister).

I think Giz's sister should take out some life insurance before she shows up.

While she's at it, she might like to help out the writers by looking into new "character development" ideas.

6 April 2009 at 00:05  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Robin seems to get over his wifes death very quickly. Marine was not mentioned once. Shame on you Robin Hood.

6 April 2009 at 00:06  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Several observations:

1. Dominic Minghella, who used to be credited as an Executive Producer of the show (I think that translated in his case to Show Runner) doesn't appear to work on the show any more. He IS credited at the beginning as "creator," with Foz Allan, but I took that to mean the series was his and Allan's original concept back in 2005/6, not that he necessarily is still "creating." His name didn't appear in any fashion in the end credits, including when they listed producers and executive producers, or editors and special effects guys, for that matter.

As a note of interest, Minghella wrote the final two episodes of Series 2. In other words, he was directly responsible for the ways Marian, Djaq, and Will were disposed of, though I'm sure he had the cooperation and agreement of other big cheeses, at least to some degree.

Another note of interest: the production seems to have had a big infusion of cash this season. (Which can produce comic effects. Poor, oppressed Locksley seems to be doing a lot better, actually, than it was before.)

Now, he's talked in the past about having other interests in the theatre, he's been hit hard by the death of his brother, Anthony, etc., etc., meaning there could be no connection between any of these things, and I could be all wrong about the ongoing importance of that "creator" credit, but there you go.


2. I've read, here and elsewhere, much disappointment in this episode, but it didn't seem that different to me than the filler/one-off episodes we've had in the past. Which makes me wonder if the difference this series isn't so much in the show itself as in us, the audience. I think we're all looking at it much more cynically than before because of the exploitative way the end of Series 2 was handled. In a way, I think we're almost waiting for the other (bad) shoe to drop, and can no longer enjoy the moment for what it is.

3. [trivia alert!] Arrow machines much like the one the Sheriff tried to use against the gang in Episode 1 actually existed during this period. They were used for sieges because of their long range.[/trivia alert] (Whew! I've been wanting to tell somebody that since I first saw it!)

6 April 2009 at 00:36  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

[quote]In a way, I think we're almost waiting for the other (bad) shoe to drop, and can no longer enjoy the moment for what it is.[/quote]

I think this is very true; however, I also think that the audience has a right at this stage to feel bewildered/ angry/ disappointed. This show simply does not make sense anymore. Yes, there was "silly stuff" in S1 and S2 (the casino episode comes to mind), but after the pitch-dark S2 finale and S3 opening, we seem to be back to the "light and fun" stuff of the first two seasons. They're not pulling it off. At all.

(Perhaps too soon to make such a claim? Maybe, but the preliminary reports for the next 2 episodes aren't doing much to convince me otherwise).

This show has had a history of pushing the "re-set" button at the start of every episode (ie, Roy was never mentioned after his death; no one ever brings up the fact that Guy left his infant son to die in the woods, etc); this was something I could overlook episode-to-episode, but NOT season-to-season.

Will and Djaq have not been mentioned, and I get the sneaking suspicion that they never will be. Marian wasn't mentioned this episode either, and Robin seems to be back to his usual chirpy self and the foundations for a romance with Kate are already being laid.

If this show had a medical condition, it would be diagnosed as having a multiple-personality disorder. "Robin Hood" doesn't have the faintest idea what it is, or what it's trying to be.

(sorry for clogging up your lovely blog with negativity. I haven't thrown in the towel just yet, but two more episodes of this, and I'm calling it quits).

6 April 2009 at 01:40  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I can't believe Dominic Minghella wrote those last two episodes. I am disappoited in him, it was a terrible ending. (I am the anon. at 1:09). The killing of Marion was such a mistake I wasn't sure I'd stay with the show. Will and Djaq leaving was another mistake. It feels like this season is setting up for S4 w/o Robin Hood. I too am hoping that the hang gliding thing and the like aren't going to last, as well as these speeches at the end of the last two episodes. I too like that Guy and the Sheriff have a new dynamic. Guy's sister should be interesting.

6 April 2009 at 02:06  
Blogger Paige said...

Well, all day today I've been thinking about why Kate's negativity bothered me so much. Marian was like that in Season 1. She was always on Robin's case.

Now, it just occured to me why it feels so wrong.

In the first season, Marian always being down on Robin served a purpose. He was fairly flipant, and care free back then, and needed a bit of antagonism to keep his feet on the ground.

This season, all of that is different. Marian is dead, and Robin doesn't need any other incentives to take things seriously. Also, Kate doesn't have 1/100 of the reason Marian had, to be ticked off with Robin. If she hadn't been stupid, and interfeared, her brother would still be alive.

Anyway, that's my explanation of it. I think it's obvious I think about this show way too much. :)


6 April 2009 at 05:47  
Blogger Ruth said...

This definitely felt like a "filler" episode to me. And why oh why does Kate's character have to be such a rehash of Marian's?! Very would have been nice to see a female character introduced into the show that wasn't all down on Robin and what he was trying to accomplish.

I think the Black Knights storyline last season really helped hold the season together overall (though there were certainly a few throwaway eps - like the casino one). Here's hoping the show hits its stride soon.

6 April 2009 at 12:47  
Blogger robin hood said...

Hi Anon 1,

"I think Giz's sister should take out some life insurance before she shows up."


But, if she indeed gets killed, who will be the one to stick the blade in?....

Hi Anon 2,

"Marian was not mentioned once. Shame on you Robin Hood."

All I can say, in "my" defence, is that I still cry nightly over losing Lucy.

What's weird is that no-one in the Village has any memory of her at all. It's more like the Twilight Zone than the Adventures of Robin Hood. (Not that this particular Robin Hood engages in too many adventures. He's stuck in some kind of Groundhog Day loop!)

Hi dcwash

To respond to a couple of your points: I'm clearly not a Minghella fan. I think when series 1 and 2 were great it's sometimes been in spite of him rather than because of him. I think the young cast, really going for it to make a name for themselves (especially Joe, Jonas and Lucy) raised the level above a frequently inconsistent and unfocussed script. For example, the supposed "love triangle" was a shambles from beginning to end.

I think he will continue to be credited in the way Gene Rodenberry is continually credited for Star trek. But what irkes me there is he didn't create Robin Hood, only edited out a lot of the best bits. Quite possibly that credit is repeated by contractual obligation.

"Poor, oppressed Locksley seems to be doing a lot better, actually, than it was before."

And all in spite of the Credit Crunch! But you're right. It's nicer than where I live now. the Sheriff must be doing something right.

Hi Anon 3

"If this show had a medical condition, it would be diagnosed as having a multiple-personality disorder. "Robin Hood" doesn't have the faintest idea what it is, or what it's trying to be."

I agree, as a lot of us here have also stated many times before, the show lacks consistency. The cast looked like they were on auto-pilot last week, and one surley suspects that Jonas has had more than enough? During Series 1 he was so good at expressing such a broad range of emotions, but where did it get him? I wonder if, one day, we'll get any "inside info" about inter-cast relationships...

"sorry for clogging up your lovely blog with negativity."

Well expressed opinions are always most welcome. Thanks.


Hi again Anon,

"I can't believe Dominic Minghella wrote those last two episodes".

Unfortunately, I can.


Hi Paige

"I've been thinking about why Kate's negativity bothered me so much. Marian was like that in Season 1. She was always on Robin's case." True. But as you go on to point out, Marian had a rigt to be so because Robin had gone off and left her to fight a dubious cause.

"I think it's obvious I think about this show way too much. :)" ...Good fun though.


Hi Ruth,

"This definitely felt like a "filler" episode to me. Here's hoping the show hits its stride soon."

As you say, the Black Knights idea was a good one. Maybe we're all being too harsh on just one episode? But then again, if you were trying to sell a series, the second one surele is an important one.


6 April 2009 at 23:27  
Blogger Ruth said...

Hi Robin - I think you are absolutely right - the 2nd episode is important, but that just brings me right back to the lack of consistency shown consistently (sorry to be redundant! LOL!) throughout the show's run thus far. The "powers that be" apparently don't have, or don't care to develop, a "master" plan for the show's future. I think the show's successes have been more due to the energy and talent of the cast than the material they are always given to work with. So all that to say, no, I don't think anyone's being too hard on the ep - we're all just devoted fans who want the show to meet and exceed its potential! :)

6 April 2009 at 23:35  
Blogger evielyn said...

Hi Robin & everyone
I have been giving a lot of thought to all of the comments and we all more or less think the same.
I do find it sad that if E2 is anything to go by Marian appears to have sunk without a trace She was local as you say and no one seems to care in fact no one has even mentioned her or even Will whose father was the local Chippie?!!

I can't believe that they will never be mentioned again it certainly doesn't auger well for the Finale already I have a sinking feeling I am not going to like the ending. Why is Kate's mother so against Robin if she has always been local then she must no all about him it doesn't seem to be the same village.

I know is only the first week of seeing Kate but she came across as very hard Marian had a softness about her She only berated Robin because a/ she loved him and b/ she disliked the way he had left her to go and fight. There are so many inconsistencies and I hate to say it but I have just read in next week's Radio Times the write up for Episode 3 -quote- Tuck and the Abbot speak like thespians quoting Shakespeare and the plot has so many holes in it anyone could fire arrows through it -unquote.

Why am I so caught up in this one tv programme I ask myself its obvious I too think about it far too much!

7 April 2009 at 16:26  
Blogger robin hood said...

Hi Ruth,

"The "powers that be" apparently don't have, or don't care to develop, a "master" plan for the show's future."

This question of if there ever was a master plan has been pondered over before. Quite possibly the show was originally simply a stop gap between seasons of Doctor Who, and Tiger Productions put it together as they thought fit, with no concerns for longevity. Then, it became a bigger hit than anticipated. Flawed maybe, but with lots of potential. But sadly, still no-one really grasped the reigns and pulled it all together.

The consequence was that Series 3 was re-scheduled to be aired later than expected, whilst Merlin was explored. (A program I personally couldn't abide). Maybe they woke up to the fact that the Golden Goose had been killed off, and so hoped Merlin itself might fill the Robin Hood spot when Doctor Who is on a break.

Hi evielyn,

"Why is Kate's mother so against Robin if she has always been local?"

This is an interesting question, but the answer can be found in both ancient and modern history. There have been times (and continue to be so), when people have gone along with tyranny rather than risk all to oppose it. It's the "Anything for a quiet life" syndrom...

"Kate came across as very hard. Marian had a softness about her. She only berated Robin because she loved him"

And so the softer side of Kate is possibly yet to come?

Regarding that quote you say is from the Radio Times??? The BBCs own television guide??? Good grief. If they're saying that in their own mag, what chance does the show have?

7 April 2009 at 18:20  
Blogger Ruth said...

Hi Robin,

Thanks for the comment back. I haven't heard much about Merlin over here, so I don't know if it was a big hit in the UK? Supposedly NBC is going to air the show in the US this summer (as always plans subject to change at the last moment, I'm sure!).

I hope RH can pull together...I knew it would get a little ridiculous if it went on forever and ever...I mean Richard has to come back at SOME point.

7 April 2009 at 18:24  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

My main problem with this episode and the lastest episodes in general, with my being a writer myself, is shambolic script-writing.

I tuned in to find a fiery new character (who had a lot of potential to begin with) hating Robin for no reason other than it being necessary to fit the plot line. It is becoming increasingly obvious that characters are being twisted to fit around plot lines, rather than the plot lines being based around the characters. Here is the main problem. Instead of the writers developing plots around the characters, they are developing characters around the plots. When this happens, the standard of writing is inevitably going to be utterly dire. The actors can only work with the words put infront of them, and even the best actors in the world would struggle to make these characters deep and believable.

Don't get me started on the ridiculous and repetetive storylines... We need a new writing team folks!

8 April 2009 at 18:16  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Apologies for the poor spelling and syntax above, I was typing rather quickly...

8 April 2009 at 18:17  
Anonymous Firefly said...

I have just found a link to a Robin Hood program/film for what I presume is for American TV.

Maybe our series of Robin Hood has got the American's hooked?!

8 April 2009 at 19:08  
Anonymous kitty said...

Stuck in space or just plain marking time until series four ?.I thought it was just plan dire - loved one of the Irish brothers though what an expressive face.
The established charcters -Mutch,Little john peddle the same sentencesion there in nor indeed the future . We\ are given through statement the black knights have disbanded but is there something in its place , that is not even hinted at .Gisbourne is now staring as Golum in Lord of the Rings and my next door neighbours children could tell me where that is going . The split between Gisbourne and the Sherrif was too soon and highlights the script wham effect -nothing else .The whole programme could be entitled the Life and Loves of R.H ,liked Kate but it was recycling Marian and Dad`s relationship . Her role is transitory nothing else. Initially i considered that it would be R.H that saw Marian the ghost ,it looks like it is Gisbourne .

8 April 2009 at 20:12  
Blogger robin hood said...

Hi Anonymous,

"shambolic script-writing".

I suppose the ironic thing is that we're all commenting about, and expressing hopes for, a series that has already been filmed. But I do, as you'll

know from my "new" Robin Hood blogs in general, feel that the best qualities of the show have all emanated from the energy of the cast. It

concerns me now that that energy is not quite so evident?


Hi Firefly

Thanks for the link. I know from my stat counter that I get a LOT of American readers here, so they will appreciate that.

In fact, if anyone's interested in knowing where your fellow readers are from, this month this individual Series 3 blog has had 2,099 hits.

37.4% have been from the USA. (Hi America!)
26.40% have been from the United Kingdom.
9% from Australia.
2.80% from Germany.
2.60% from New Zealand.
2. 40% from Canada.
2.20% from Italy

- I won't go on, but Egypt, Chile, and Korea are all on the list. That gives you some idea of who's reading, who's viewing, and who's waiting to



Hi kitty,

"Initially i considered that it would be R.H that saw Marian the ghost, it looks like it is Gisbourne".

Dickensian style Christmas Special maybe? :)

And (much though I like the guy!), Gordon Kennedy earns his money more easily by the episode...

8 April 2009 at 20:41  
Blogger Rav said...

Hi, this is "anonymous" who wrote that the show had multiple personality disorder. I forgot to log-in, so my name didn't pop up.

In regards to this comment you made:

"But I do, as you'll know from my "new" Robin Hood blogs in general, feel that the best qualities of the show have all emanated from the energy of the cast. It concerns me now that that energy is not quite so evident?"

I agree: I've always been somewhat fascinated by the war waged between the charismatic, talented actors and indifferent, lazy scriptwriters on this show.

Throughout two season the actors were winning. But now...well, after watching the proverbial shark being not so much jumped as shot dead in front of them, I think the actors just can't be bothered anymore.

9 April 2009 at 02:02  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

We had such promise with the first episode of the season, and then it was dashed with the reality of the second.

Is it just me or were we all left back in the Holy Lands with Marian, Will, and Djaq?


9 April 2009 at 20:12  
Blogger evielyn said...

Hi Robin & Everyone

I agree I think we are all left back in the Holy Land with Marian, Will & Djaq They certainly aren't missed back home are they?

10 April 2009 at 14:20  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's been mentioned that Keith Allen seemed bored in this episode.

Here's something straight from the horse's mouth, from this interview:

He said: "I doubt I'll go back for a fourth series if they do one — it's boring to work on now. I've done three series, and I'd like to move on to something else."

It doesn't get much more obvious than that!

11 April 2009 at 14:58  
Blogger Ruth said...

I heard somewhere that Keith Allen was leaving the show a year I guess I thought it had been planned for a while...?

11 April 2009 at 15:22  
Blogger evielyn said...

I thought that I had read somewhere that the Sheriff is supposed to be killed by Robin sometime in this series!

11 April 2009 at 15:47  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I hope others agree that Kate was appalling. Whiny, stupid, tempestuous, gratingly "dialectal" in a way that fitted nowhere with the area she's supposed to be from and none of the band held anything against her. Even when it was her who gave Robin away, her who got them captured (twice) due to her stupidity and irritating nature all they can do is hang their heads while she rants and raves at them as thuogh it's their fault! I was so close to stopping watching this series for good after this episode...

17 April 2009 at 23:50  
Blogger robin hood said...

Stick with us, Anonymous. We're all in this together - right to the bitter end!

18 April 2009 at 00:41  
Blogger Rob G said...

I laughed when I saw the second use of the multi-arrow-shooters; they just reused the same footage from earlier!

I wasn't a fan of Kate at all. "Oh, you tried to save my brother, I'm going to turn you in!" Then she defends Robin from her mother, then she goes and joins them (although did she *do* anything other than flash her hair around?) then leaves them again. Honestly, I could do without ever seeing her again.

20 April 2009 at 07:20  

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